Sniper !

[IRONxMortlock]

5 in 10 seconds, and when a .50 caliber bullet hits a target, it basically turns them into juicy bits. Rather aweful and shocking to look at, but fun nonetheless.

Fun? FUN?! Seriously dude, what is wrong with you?

Those folks were real people. They had mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters. Perhaps even children of their own. They may be enemies but the viewing of their gruesome deaths should not be considered "fun" by anyone who considers themselves human.

[Samurai Waki]

Fun? FUN?! Seriously dude, what is wrong with you?

Those folks were real people. They had mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters. Perhaps even children of their own. They may be enemies but the viewing of their gruesome deaths should not be considered "fun" by anyone who considers themselves human.

Do not persist upon the notion of having a holier-than-thou attitude towards me. Perhaps, if you had actually read my comment, instead of saw the word "fun" and gasped then you wouldn't charge head long into a nonsensical argument.

As you might have noticed, I said it's quite aweful and shocking to look at. I meant this seriously, and I when I wrote but fun nonetheless it was a whimsical comment. My guts churned for days after watching that, but if you think me saying fun is bad, then perhaps you don't understand war and humanity as well as you might think.

My buddy (the sharpshooter) and his spotter, and three other marines were laughing at this stuff, and I don't mean like little titters, or chuckling, I mean roll on the floor laughing as these guys exploded. In war you can laugh at your enemy, because they're gonna do the same if they hard enough.

[CrossLOPER]

Fun? FUN?! Seriously dude, what is wrong with you?

Listen, you're going to hear some crazy stuff here. Interpret at your own discretion, OK?

[Husar]

Fun? FUN?! Seriously dude, what is wrong with you?

Those folks were real people. They had mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters. Perhaps even children of their own. They may be enemies but the viewing of their gruesome deaths should not be considered "fun" by anyone who considers themselves human.

I agree.

[BigTex]

Fun? FUN?! Seriously dude, what is wrong with you?

Those folks were real people. They had mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters. Perhaps even children of their own. They may be enemies but the viewing of their gruesome deaths should not be considered "fun" by anyone who considers themselves human.

You may have missed the portion of the text were he mentioned that they were at war. That same person they were laughing at would have done the same to them regardless of the mothers fathers and brothers they had. You can also bet that they would also have been laughing at them.

1.3 miles out Berett .50 Caliber, how many soldiers can you kill. 5 in 10 seconds, and when a .50 caliber bullet hits a target, it basically turns them into juicy bits. Rather aweful and shocking to look at, but fun nonetheless.

Heh, a supersonic .50 cal round can cause the chest cavity to explode. Ironically the faster the bullet the less chance it has of even making an exit wound in the body.

[Husar]

You may have missed the portion of the text were he mentioned that they were at war. That same person they were laughing at would have done the same to them regardless of the mothers fathers and brothers they had. You can also bet that they would also have been laughing at them.

And the fact that the other person is wrong makes it any better?
Besides, I wouldn't bet on that.

[Shahed]

Jeez seems my graphic/war warning was not enough.

You guys don't even know why some people join the military. You think they wanna be some hero and have high moral values and all that. Get real. They join and when war starts it's all about killing. A kill is a kill. Period. What matters most in the military ? Killing the enemy is what matters. You think people don't cheer when the kill an enemy ? Of course they do. They dying to kill stuff.

Chivalry is always good but it's the exception not the norm.

Hey I'd like to see the 0.50 Cal video, please.

No offence, don't mean to sound harsh.

I'd rather see the reality for what it is. It's not 'fun' for me to watch but I wanna see the real deal. I'm not going to close my eyes and hide under the blanket. If people can beat a 52 year old disabled man then shot him dead, rape 14 year old girls etc.. then why be so shocked about laughing at the enemy when they got WTFPW'edBBQ'ed ? I would'nt do it but people do. That's war. Much worse happens than laughing, like for example laughing at the guy who's little girl you just raped, or who's grandfather you just killed. People who think the majority of the military is about being good and all that, need a reality check.

Anyway the topic is about discussing those videos, sharing any others you may have. And lastly to comment on the skills and techniques used in those videos. This is not a discussion about morality, but about military tactics. And there is nothing immoral about sniping. Also I wanted to point out that the insurgents are'nt that dumb as they are made to look, after all. How come we don't see much of this on CNN and BBC ? Can't stomach our own guys getting killed, it seems.

[Banquo's Ghost]

You guys don't even know why some people join the military. You think they wanna be some hero and have high moral values and all that. Get real. They join and when war starts it's all about killing. A kill is a kill. Period. What matters most in the military ? Killing the enemy is what matters. You think people don't cheer when the kill an enemy ? Of course they do. They dying to kill stuff.

Your cyncism has some truth in it, but not much. People join the military for many reasons, and few join to kill. There used to be a time when this tendency would be identified in training and efforts made to control it. One requires personnel to follow orders, not to kill. Those orders may indeed require killing, but in many cases they do not - or require moderation in the application of lethal force (ie just the target guys, not everything larger than a gopher).

What matters most in the military is achieving the mission, and to the ordinary soldier, coming home alive with his mates.

People still joined the services when there was no war. Why?

Don't make the mistake of thinking war is like a video game, and whilst you might see veterans celebrating death on occasion, you should not. You should also be aware that many more veterans do not celebrate in such a way - but then they don't have videos to share, do they?

When we managed to kill an Irish terrorist, emotions could range from glee to profound sadness. I wonder if you can imagine why the spectrum?

[Shahed]

Maybe you are talking about the British Army, or some other... (oofff looking for a diplomatic word)...force. I don't know. The British are more 'professional' as in a job and moral sense, or so we are led to believe. The British Army has a much longer history and experience in warfare. They should know something from it, and they do I'm sure.

I am talking about the US Army, mainly.

Soldiers are trained to follow orders and KILL.
They have to be able to kill, they cannot hesistate and IMO the US Army does this job very well.

I understand the spectrum. You feel joy because you eliminated an enemy, but sad because you killed him. Killing an enemy but part of yourself as well. If this same spectrum is in the same person IMO that's a good thing.

Not everyone is as noble or healthy as you, not everyone feels the same as you. But you know that already.

edit: LOL and that's a nice quote, in your signature.



Salute !

[Redleg]

Maybe you are talking about the British Army, or some other past it's due date force. I don't know. I am talking about the US Army, mainly.

Then once again you would be incorrect.

Soldiers are trained to follow orders and KILL.

I was trained, and trained my fellow soldiers to accomplish the mission assigned to them. Be it movement, or artillery fire on a target.

They have to be able to kill, they cannot hesistate and IMO the US Army does this job very well.

Only partily correct. You have to be able to perform the mission which often requires one to fire a weapon at a target.

I understand the spectrum. You feel joy because you eliminated an enemy, but sad because you killed him. Killing an enemy but part of yourself as well.

The same emotional spectrum runs in the United States Military also. Bad press gets far more press then what emotions on the battlefield are actually going on.

For instance my brother is currently in Iraq. When I speak with him he is never gleeful about the missions he has had to conduct. Only grateful that he and his men have returned from their mission.

[Shahed]

I edited some of my more 'arrogant' language. You might wanna re-read if interested.

Well I disagree, but anyway.

I'd be primarily concerned with getting the mission accomplished but I would be concerned thereafter with getting home. AND inflicting as much destruction as I can inflict on the enemy.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Maybe you are talking about the British Army, or some other... (oofff looking for a diplomatic word)...force. I don't know. The British are more 'professional' as in a job and moral sense, or so we are led to believe. The British Army has a much longer history and experience in warfare. They should know something from it, and they do I'm sure.

I am talking about the US Army, mainly.

My own experience is from the British Army, and latterly the Irish Defence Force. The IDF clearly has a very different mandate to either the UK or the US military.

Having said that, I do not believe that the US military is any less professional, and certainly not less in a moral sense. I would personally deplore the fact that many US officers and men did not fasten their top button (a flogging offence in my day ) but that's about all. The US Army is trained for a different and wider range of actions because of the political reach of the country.

Soldiers are trained to follow orders and KILL.
They have to be able to kill, they cannot hesistate and IMO the US Army does this job very well.

Redleg has answered these points in the way I would have done.

I understand the spectrum. You feel joy because you eliminated an enemy, but sad because you killed him. Killing an enemy but part of yourself as well. If this same spectrum is in the same person IMO that's a good thing.

Not everyone is as noble or healthy as you, not everyone feels the same as you. But you know that already.

Aside from the vagaries of birth, nobility is not a notion I would embrace for myself. There are actions that haunt me still. Your interpretation of my question is the easy answer, and it does not entirely hold true. For example, we would feel something akin to ecstatic glee at the elimination of a man who was a brute and a danger to my troops and his own community. But I was also in tears once having killed a very effective enemy, but whom I knew to be acting for his highest ideals of republicanism (pretty rare people then). As an Irish Republican myself, and with a history of rebellion against the very army I now served, who was I really weeping for? And can you now tell why I joined the British Army?

Humans are so wretchedly complicated, aren't they?

edit: LOL and that's a nice quote, in your signature.

Thank you. I am most proud that Navaros felt it necessary to copy the style and formatting to make his anti-evolutionary signature. I suspect Chuck D would have felt proud.