Petition Multiplayer Campaign For Me2

[just4apetition]

http://www.petitiononline.com/2908jt01/petition.html

thats a link for the multiplayer campaign pleas sign it and

spread the word!!!

i would love if someone could start a thread on this!!

write back just to let me know im being heard!!

[Bombasticus Maximus]

They won't do it. It's too close to the date it comes out.

[just4apetition]

they could always send it out in the form of a patch

[IRONxMortlock]

So there is no multiplayer mode in MTW2?

EDIT - Hey, I can use the edit button now! Thanks guys!

[Epistolary Richard]

1) There will be multiplayer battles (as there have been for every single TW game to date), he's talking about a multiplayer campaign.

2) This petition is far far too late. The game is done, designed, probably in QA as we speak. Patches are typically there to correct something that was implemented incorrectly - not add completely new features. They couldn't even give us campaign battle replays in a patch - they certainly couldn't do it for a multiplayer campaign.

3) I wonder if you 'petitioners' for a mulitplayer campaign have actually really thought about how it would work? 'Cos TW campaigns can last quite a long time, even taking a single turn for a single player can go upwards of an hour when his empire gets large. So, given that players aren't going to be online playing for several weeks continuously you're going to have to compromise on something. If you want to keep the camp map and not too bothered about the battles then we have a pretty servicable RTW multiplayer campaign mod already. If you want to keep the battles and are prepared to accept a more stylised campaign map then the Lordz are testing an online multiplayer campaign run through a website.

[Marius Dynamite]

3) I wonder if you 'petitioners' for a mulitplayer campaign have actually really thought about how it would work? 'Cos TW campaigns can last quite a long time, even taking a single turn for a single player can go upwards of an hour when his empire gets large. So, given that players aren't going to be online playing for several weeks continuously you're going to have to compromise on something. If you want to keep the camp map and not too bothered about the battles then we have a pretty servicable RTW multiplayer campaign mod already. If you want to keep the battles and are prepared to accept a more stylised campaign map then the Lordz are testing an online multiplayer campaign run through a website.

Thats pretty much right I think. If you want a multiplayer campaign on the Next TW game, (The one after M2TW because you are far too late for M2TW) Then you have to think up a system you can suggest for CA. Probably only something like everyone takes there turn at the same time and when all click 'End Turn' the game moves on but there is a time limit for the turn to be taken and if you are not ready within the time it just moves on. Then there are things like AI, would that be involved? Would battlefield battles be allowed, is that decided before the campaign starts? Battles can take a long time, especially sieges. Should I wait 40 minutes while another players beats the AI?
I think we will eventually see great online Campaigns but these questions have to be answered and dealt with. CA can't afford to waste time on a Bad online campaign. It would have to be good and many would have to play and enjoy it.

[Stig]

A MP campaign is impossible with the current engine, someone from CA told that once. I believe it was BOFH or Pras

Anyway it's impossible anyway:
21 players
everyone takes atleast 10 minutes to make his turn, maybe even 15.
At average everyone attacks once in his turn. Each battle takes 30 minutes atleast.
Sometimes you have to wait for other to go to toilet and such, maybe eat dinner. Let's say that's a total of 2 hours.
Add everything together
Battles = 30 x 21 = 630
Turns = 21 x 10 = 210
Waiting, etc = 120 = 120
that's 960 minutes, which is equal to 16 hours.
And that's turn 1.
So you sleep 8 hours, play 16 hours and have no life.

[Wishazu]

I think any mp would have to be restricted as to how many human players can play maybe no more than 4-6. For obvious reasons really.

[caravel]

A MP campaign is impossible with the current engine, someone from CA told that once. I believe it was BOFH or Pras

Anyway it's impossible anyway:
21 players
everyone takes atleast 10 minutes to make his turn, maybe even 15.
At average everyone attacks once in his turn. Each battle takes 30 minutes atleast.
Sometimes you have to wait for other to go to toilet and such, maybe eat dinner. Let's say that's a total of 2 hours.
Add everything together
Battles = 30 x 21 = 630
Turns = 21 x 10 = 210
Waiting, etc = 120 = 120
that's 960 minutes, which is equal to 16 hours.
And that's turn 1.
So you sleep 8 hours, play 16 hours and have no life.

I have always wondered why some people persistently lobby for the MP campaign, when it is blatently obvious to the majority of players that it simply won't work. Even with 2 players it would be a drag. You'd have to sit there for possibly an hour waiting for your opponent to make their moves and fight all of their battles, for me even that is to long to sit around doing nothing.

[IRONxMortlock]

1) There will be multiplayer battles (as there have been for every single TW game to date), he's talking about a multiplayer campaign.

Whew! I'm quite looking forward to MTW2 and this really had me worried.

As for campaign MP, I agree with some of the other folks here; it would simply be impractical and I am unconcerned that it has not been included.

P.S.: Just noticed this emoticon in the list. It should be renamed to :culture_penalty:

[just4apetition]

well they could atleast do one with LAN anyone hear of how long the HEROS IV everything is? LAN would stop me from complaining cause i want to beat my friend (turky) as the scots and beat him battle after battle... and spread the wonders of scotland right up to jerusalam rubbin it in his face the whole way heh heh heh. and whats wrong with the patch idea? they send out whole map editors in a patch sometimes... but idk if a good LAN mod came out id stop complaining heh

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Having a campaign MP would be a stupid idea..

I don't want to spend a whole week, mabye 8-10 days only doing mabye 2-4 normal games on MP and a (1) MP Campaign. I don't got the time,nethier will I waste it.

[Ares]

http://www.petitiononline.com/2908jt01/petition.html

thats a link for the multiplayer campaign pleas sign it and

spread the word!!!

i would love if someone could start a thread on this!!

write back just to let me know im being heard!!

The game is already being finalized. It's way too close to the final release date. It's not going to happen.

Additionally, I don't get what all the fuss is about when it comes to a multiplayer campaign feature. It would just be way too complicated to design in the first place and then you probably aren't going to find enough people commited enough to play a multiplayer campaign.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

you could, 300-500 people onlnie for MT2W, Depending

but m8, no offense, but no one to my knowledge wants to sit here for days/weeks doing ONE (1) camapgian and that's it. mabye you do,in your opnion, but I don't.

[just4apetition]

well it would be a nice feature with friends with nothing better to do it doesnt need 21 players just like 5 at max

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Well even still. you and your friends could do some Normal MP games m8. Don't know what is wrong with them anyhow....

[Martok]

Well even still. you and your friends could do some Normal MP games m8. Don't know what is wrong with them anyhow....

Okay, I'm going to add my two cents here:

There's nothing at all wrong with multiplayer battles per se. It's just that for many of us who play singleplayer, we prefer their be some sort of context behind battles. The respect of one's peers (and bragging rights, can't forget that!) simply isn't enough for a lot of us. We need our battles to *mean* something.

When I play historical battles, I'm trying to recreate the victories of some of the world's most famous commanders. When I fight a battle in MTW's campaign, I know that it's in some way important--possibly even crucial--to the success/survival of my faction. There, the battles matter.

The very few times I fought battles online, I just didn't feel the same sense tension and urgency. I didn't sweat with nervousness as to whether I would win or not, because what was I fighting for? I won't say that multiplayer battles aren't somewhat fun, but they don't hold me in thrall the way the singleplayer campaign does.

[GottMitUns]

I am all for a TW multiplayer campaign and I even think it is plausable. Star Trek- Birth of the Federation was a turn based strategy game with real time battles and had a campaign multiplayer feature that was great. It was very much like MTW, but in space. In some ways turns "could" take even longer considering that there were hundreds of star systems and each contained 1-5 planets (provinces). Multiplayer campaigns actualy went very quick.

Something like this, people need to decide on a time limit for turns in advance. A good MP function would be setting a turn time limit and when the time expires the turn is over, like it or not. Of course "battle time" would not be included in "turn time" and it would be a good idea to have a battle timer. If your not fighting a battle, you have more time each turn. If a persons faction is fighting an AI faction, a good idea would be a function allowing the person whos faction is NOT involved in the battle to control the battle for the enemy in place of the AI.

A streamlined managment system would help. Being able to prioritize building projects etc for each province. The "auto-manage" function as it is doesn't really give you enough control. An "empire wide" construction cue would work well- just open the settlements list in the faction section, and use the drop down menus next to each settlement on the list to cue the building or unit you want produced. I also find movement of family members and stacks on the campaign map to be tedious and time consuming. Sure its easy to just click the unit and then click the destination but the unit will not intentionaly avoid large enemy forces nore avoid walking through territories where you don't have permission to move troops.

The campaign can be streamlined enough to make a multiplayer campaign really workable.

sry for the long post, I just think multiplayer TW would be awesome.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

even with all you said Gott,not bad, but it will Still Take To long. I'm just saying I'm not up for it becauses,the TW communtiy on MP is small enough already,and it base on how good you are when you play games online,not how your manage your towns.

[GottMitUns]

even with all you said Gott,not bad, but it will Still Take To long. I'm just saying I'm not up for it becauses,the TW communtiy on MP is small enough already,and it base on how good you are when you play games online,not how your manage your towns.

It still would be cool to play the campaign with friends though. If RTW had a multiplayer campaign function I know 4 people IRL who would be really into playing. Father, brother, and two friends. MP gaming amongst family and rl friends makes for some excellent dinner table and water cooler conversation and competition.

[maestro]

If CIV4 can be played Multiplayer, then so can M2TW in the campaign map.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

If CIV4 can be played Multiplayer, then so can M2TW in the campaign map.

Because Civ4 is a different sytle of game m8.. No Actual Battles like MTW2 has or any other TW games in it..

[Juliussharp]

The game has been realese. The problem is the mind who have concept TOTAL WAR . They didn't do it for the campaign on line. To let every human to make his own strategic opption. IT is sad but it is true. I have spent 4 years and hope to see that CA will repair their mistake, but they didn't .


The will and want to continue with this engine , with no on line campaign.

This is my ideas for on line campaign: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=72532


Is only matter of efforts and for admins to realise we can do it and can runnit under the guindence of on large Forum or Site for ON line Campaigns.

With every campaign startes , there can start another one and so on.

Good luck to all

[Vladimir]

(Didn't read them all) The only way it cound work in a turn based system is to autocalc the battles and that would take the main feature away from the game.