Papal names

[Cardinal-Bishop]

Hi what is this thing with the Papal names??
Traditionally when a Cardinal (or in theory anyone) is elected to the Papacy has an option to change his name and take a more religious name such as Gregory, Urban, Alexander, Pius etc.
In MTW2 Popes-elect take really weird names like Pagenellus or Ventura.
Shouldnt this be fixed in a patch? or teven better the Faction controlling the winning Cardinal to choose a name for his Petrine Ministry?

[IrishArmenian]

Well there had to be a Pope Urban I so maybe this will be the first Pagenellus or Ventura.

[Kobal2fr]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes

As you can see, while over time they did tend to gravitate towards the illustrious names of their predecessors, many many Popes have chosen outlandish names too (Pope Lando ? ).

[Cardinal-Bishop]

I agree.
Late antiquity and early medieval Popes used their own baptismal names like Lando with the exception of priest Mercurius in 536 (i guess) who reigned as John II and Pietro Canepanova in 987 or somewhere near who reigned as John XIV. All other Popes especially after 1067 and the new elections regulation by Pope Nicolas II did changed their names to something more religious with the exceptions of Adrian VI in 1523 and Marcellus II in 1555 who reigned under their baptismal names.
Shouldnt MTW2 fixed that and allow a name change to something more historical accurate?

[Cardinal-Bishop]

So wouldnt be historically accurate and correct to fix that so all Future Popes take more religious names like Julius, Pius, Innocent, Clemens etc.?
It would be better if we could number them also!!!
An example: when the game starts the current pope is Gregory, he could have been known in the game as Gregory VII (which was his actual name).
When Gregory VII dies the College elects-lets say- Cardinal Aston of England who assumes the name Hadrian (see? a more religious name) and then becomes known as Hadrian IV.
What do u say folks???
Who agrees with me?

[Xaziv]

i think it'd be cool if they let you name your own units instead of getting them auto name... or have them auto-name to begin with but with the option of changing it..

[Beefeater]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes

I rather like Pope Linus, Patron Saint of comfort blankets.

[Kraxis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes

I rather like Pope Linus, Patron Saint of comfort blankets.

Imagine him up in Heaven... Too good to be true.

Anyway I would just prefer if the parent faction gets to choose between a few names. Two classical names and one less classical and perhaps the old name.
If we can make our own names this site and all other gaming sites would soon be spammed with Pope 1337, Pope Dweep, Pope Liar ect ect (and a lot of names I have chosen not to name but I suppose you can imagine as easily as I can)... Which I have a feeling the Vatican would be somewhat less than pleased about.

I can just see the headlines before me.

"International Crisis: Pope excommunicates British videogame developer Creative Assembly.

The Pope went out to mass last sunday with a venomous attack on the videogame developer Creative Assembly, famed for its succesful gamingfranchise Total War.
"I call on all righteous Catholics to mount a Crusade to the British Isles and Australia, to burn the heretic sect Creative Assembly. They have been slandering the holy seat in which We sit. Short of suicide by the developing team We will not back down.

Now eat and drink while I go give the scrofolous Danes a good whacking. Those villains dared invade Hamburg."

[Ii Naomasa]

"Welcome, I'm Pope Lando Calrissian. I'm the administrator of this Papacy."

Actually, the jokes come too easy...

"The Lando Province?"

"Lando's not a province... he's the Pope!"


Sorry for not really adding anything productive to this.... do agree that there should be more 'numbered' popes using common names once inawhile, but not exclusively using only established ones... we ARE changing history after all....

[Lord Condormanius]

Cardinal Aston of England who assumes the name Hadrian (see? a more religious name) and then becomes known as Hadrian IV.

Arggh... Hadrian IV holds a special place of disdain in my heart for his Bull Laudibiliter. That'll teach em to elect an English Pope.

First of all, I think there should be a log of past Popes.

The Cardinal choosing his own name, I think, is part of the idea that the characters in the game have their own personality, for lack of a better word. I would however also like to see numbering (i.e. Gregory VII), even if it is some odd, new, non-historical set of names.

...I mean, England never had a King Walter, but I do. Now that I think of it, I would like to see some repeats in the Kings names as well (i.e. Henry II, William II (Rufus? I know is was his nickname, but...).

[Julius_Nepos]

I made a note of this problem in the bug list. The Papacy isn't the only faction using the wrong name lists for their Leaders, the Byzantines have a similar issue. I have a pope Abbate and Orsellus, definately NOT appropriate names at all. Let's just hope the game is simply referencing the wrong name list. Cheers!

[ChewieTobbacca]

I made a note of this problem in the bug list. The Papacy isn't the only faction using the wrong name lists for their Leaders, the Byzantines have a similar issue. I have a pope Abbate and Orsellus, definately NOT appropriate names at all. Let's just hope the game is simply referencing the wrong name list. Cheers!

Don't think the popes part is a bug at all - it was probably intended so as to avoid any legal issues with the Vatican, who certainly would have things to say about the game representing the names of real popes... After all, they can't be too pleased with the possibility of players assassinating them and what not

[Cardinal-Bishop]

Adrian IV wasnt the one who donated Ireland to the English Crown?
He did that because of the forged Donatio Constantini which aleggedly gave the western half of the empire to the Roman Popes.
This is proven to be a forgery dated back to Pope Stephen II.
Anyway i would like to see Popes in Medieval 2 take names like Paul, Callixtus, Pius etc. and numbered also.
This should be fixed in the patch.

[Lord Condormanius]

You're talking about something else. Adrian IV's Bull Laudibiliter charged Henry II with taking over Ireland under the pretext of reforming the Church.

[Apoc]

I kinda like Pope Hilarius...

[Cardinal-Bishop]

U can check it out in Wikipedia Lord...
I verified it in wikipedia, The Catholic Encyclopedia and Britannica Encyclopedia.
The Bull of Adrian IV was Based on the fake Donatio Constantini...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_IV

[Lord Condormanius]

So what if it was based on the Donatio Constantini. He still issued the Bull.

[Cardinal-Bishop]

On a forged document... drafted only to serve the papacy.
Practically Adrian IV gave away something that was never his...
Legally this Bull was null and void from the beginning by canon and civil law...