Winning First?

[HoreTore]

Okay. And once you have a point of Chivalry you are immune to evil effects thereafter?

Not exactly. You can't gain any battledread points if you have a point of battlechivalry, however, you can lose battlechivalry if you rout or don't fight with your general and withdraws.

Note that it only protects against battledread, you can still get evil traits like strategydread if you recruit an assassin, for example.

[Quickening]

Thanks for the information HoreTore. Right, so this is the situation.

When an English campaign opens you have Prince Rufus with the following troops:

Two regiments of peasant archers.
Two regiments of spear militia.

To the North of Prince Rufus is York which is garrisoned by:

Two units of peasant archers
Two unit of peasants
One unit of spear milita


It seems pretty damn random whether or not I get "Winning First" in this battle (which Ive played like, a zillion trillion times). So how should I conduct this battle to ensure that I do not get "Winning First"? Bearing in mind that it is near impossible to do anything other that annihilating the rebels to the last man.

[HoreTore]

Well, it's been some time since I played the english, but if you send him alone to attack york, it should be possible to get odds of 0.8 when the garrison sally, and you shouldn't have any problem routing and killing them. It's a bit tricky to rout them, although it certainly is possible if you charge and destroy the spear milita, then turn back and charge into the heart of the enemy, which should trigger a mass rout.

But I fully believe that england in this game is not made to be chivalrous.... It's so much easier to be evil with them.

[Quickening]

So Ive got to attack York with my general alone and waste turns waiting for the rebels to come to me? Like I said, ridiculous.

Anyway it's always easier to be evil. But one of the great aspects of this game is that you can supposedly rule your kingdom as you like. I DON'T WANNA BE EVIL!!!!!!!!

[HoreTore]

Well, you only "waste" one turn... Although it's probably possible to assault right away too.

[RickooClan]

Bearing in mind that it is near impossible to do anything other that annihilating the rebels to the last man.

yea, the total annihilating or the picking on weak thing makes no sense at all in siege battle, therefore i mod them both not counting in any siege battle at all.

and i have read there is a bug in 1.2 which the AI dont take city defensive in battle odd. Which means even you pick your general vs the AI general with a citadal, the battle odd is still 1:1......