Completely confused about the English (longish post)

[chunkynut]

2 words 'Sherwood Archers' :D

Just made my first unit, gonna try them out tonight, better stats than retinue longbows.

As the English the only faction that has outshot me has been the mongols ... and they have missile capabilities in virtually every unit.

[Lord of the Isles]

I've been a little disappointed with the English missile troops too. Or to be more accurate, their missile troops are not too bad it's just that other factions get cheap crossbowmen and mercenary crossbowmen which seem to be able to compete well v the various longbowmen. I suspect those should be toned down to give a better balance.

[Clearchus]

2 words 'Sherwood Archers' :D

Just made my first unit, gonna try them out tonight, better stats than retinue longbows.

As the English the only faction that has outshot me has been the mongols ... and they have missile capabilities in virtually every unit.

Yeah, don't forget the longbowmen are not the best archer unit for England. Sherwood archers are better.

[chunkynut]

Yeah, don't forget the longbowmen are not the best archer unit for England. Yeoman Archers are better, as are the Sherwoods.

The base Longbows aren't bad but there are Yeoman Archers then Retinue Longbows, so there is an advanced longbow unit aswell.

Then there are the Sherwood Archers that have even better stats than the Retinue Longbows.

I think the issue is between SP and MP on this thread some are speaking in soley SP terms (econ21 for example) and some are speaking about MP (dismounted archers for the french, in MP but not SP etc).

I didn't see Scots Guard at all on my English campaign but thats probably because I left the French to stew in Dijon (a city) for about 50 years after taking the rest of their regions.

With the bog standard - base level - non upgraded Longbows I have found that with 2 units on a single Dismounted Chivalous Knights can reduce the unit to 2/3s its original size. And this isn't against a non-armoured unit in which you'd expect to see larger casualties.

Entire armies have routed before they hit my infantry because of the losses they recieved on the march to them.

The Scots Guard are fine - one of the most clearly historical units in the game. They were elite, so I am not going to quibble about a +1 attack. A player who spams them is just like someone who spams VG or JHI - putting gameplay above history (which is fine, but they should not complain the game is ahistoric if they indulge in such cheese).

Exactly, if you can spam this unit and you want to then what is the problem, same thing with MTW and Almohad Urban Militia, people complained that entire armies of them made the campaign too easy .... simple, don't be stupid and balance your army, or don't complain. If there was a MP campaign then these may be valid complaints not self indulgence of creating a uniform uber army.