English vs. Cavalry (bug?)

**JeffBag** · 11-23-2006, 04:53

And neither do zweihanders have the trait. Go look it up in custom battles yourself; those bugged people really do not attempt an attack at all. I myself noticed it during the Agincourt battle when I sent a unit of billmen and a unit of dismounted English Knights to attack the French cavalry that were coming from the back.

**CaptainSolo** · 11-23-2006, 05:00

I have to agree with the rest of you,it's a big turn around from MTW where billmen could seriously damage static cavalry in melee.
I don't know what the rest of you think but i'm struggling to find a role for billmen at the moment which is a shame as there a unique unit.At the moment armoured swordsmen are a much better bet in every situation i can think of.

**JeffBag** · 11-23-2006, 05:19

They should destroy cavalry in melee with their stats, if they would try to swing in the first place. I think this problem got in after they removed the spinning animation for the two-handed attack. I do remember in the first PCGamer demo when the spinning attack animation was still in, they were beating up the French knights at Agincourt.

I just tested a unit of Transyvanian peasants against Feudal Knights, they have halberds, so a different anim set, but no spear wall ability. Stats are 5 attack and 1 defense, and they absolutely butchered the Feudal Knights. Therefore, Billmen, with 15 attack and 3 defense, must surely be bugged.

**maestro** · 11-23-2006, 12:17

I'ev noticed a lot of my English infantry troops are totally ineffective against Cav. Even when it's like 4 units Vs 1, they just don't engage. I think they just stand there and insult the cavalry, who promptly kill them fo rbeing rude. But then - getting units to actually engage anything, ever, is very, very difficult and buggy in M2.

**Headlocked** · 11-23-2006, 19:38

Originally Posted by maestro

But then - getting units to actually engage anything, ever, is very, very difficult and buggy in M2.

eh bit of an exaggeration there?

billmen are good versus other infantry. They're cheap, effective and can hold the line. Mainstay of my armies, always 4 in the first line, and i play VH/VH.

But yah, v. Cavalry they leave a something to be desired.
Oh and yes it doesn't say in their stats that they are good versus cavalry.
just my

:)

HDD

**JeffBag** · 11-23-2006, 19:56

The problem is not in the stats, nor the supposed capabilities of the billmen, it is in the animation, causing them not to attack. Checking over at twcenter.net forums, it is reported that stationary unit of cavalry were completely eating up English foot knights, billmen, Varangian guards, Norse axemen. If 1 stationary unit of cavarly can melee through 1 unit of English foot knights, it is most certainly not behaving properly.