New Mafia Game: Rise of the Mob [Concluded]

[Kagemusha]

So let me get this straight: Again, you have not addressed any of my arguments, but rather, once again, reaffirmed your case. Kage, it does not matter that I am about to be lynched, what matters is truth. Why are you and Sigurd not addressing my arguments? Why are you and Sigurd not showing me the case against me so that I may refute it? Why are you and Sigurd in PM correspondence? Why did you lie about it? I have already sent two PM’s to Csar by the way. One to confirm that you actually are able to get the doctor role in an investigation. You’ll forgive me for being suspicious of you, as that is a very odd deviance from “guilty” or “innocent” that a detective usually gets, and the fact that you did not tell Sasaki or anyone that you found out who the doctor was (not his name, just the fact that you did find him) until after I revealed. The other is to take me out of the game, as I don’t want to play it and be Sigurd’s pawn. So keep pushing Kage, you got my lynch or death either way, but at least answer the questions. You are extremely suspicious, and I have no idea that you got so thoroughly manipulated and brainwashed.

The point is that we dont have to address any of your points anymore.We have the evidence that you are guilty which you confirmed with your own words,period.

[Reenk Roink]

The point is that we dont have to address any of your points anymore.

As you have actually never addressed any of my points, you are essentially saying that I am guilty without any proof or argument.

We have the evidence that you are guilty which you confirmed with your own words,period.

Can you show me? The fact that you have not shown me any proof or argument or your conclusion is pretty telling.

You have an assertion, unbacked by proof or argument. That's it for now...

[Kagemusha]

Unbacked by proof or argument to you.

[Csargo]

Voting Over.

[Csargo]

Reenk Roink was found dead slumped up against a toilet. It seemed that he had commited suicide by swirly. Since he was the person with the most votes then there will be no on executed today.

Still Alive:
Sir Moody-RR

Dutch_Guy-

Peasant Phill-RR

Kagemusha-RR

Discovery1-

Don Corleone-RR

Xiahou-


Reenk Roink said he would like to commit suicide since he wouldn't have much extra time for Mafia games.

PM's please.

[Kagemusha]

Vote Csar

[Xiahou]

Wow... look what I missed...

[Sir Moody]

am i the only one who thinks weve lost this? it looks like we just bandwagoned reenk for no reason...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I was actually a mafioso along with Kage. Why do you think Csar never clarified the "mafia can't kill eachother" rule? He didn't want to give us away.

We kill 2 more tonight and it's game over cuz you guys won't be able to lynch us.

GG

[Kagemusha]

Yep.Its a sad occasion that you guys got owned so completely,but i can assure you guys that Sasaki and i have had tons of fun.I think this is the most tasty Mafia victory for me so far.

[Reenk Roink]

Hah! You guys happy?

By the way Sasaki, I know you were trying to play me from the start, and were in cahoots with Kage and Sigurd. I just put up with it because I needed my info.

I can guess that the argument against me is something like this:

1) Reenk claimed to be the doctor.
2) Kage already knows who the doctor is.

C) Reenk is guilty.

Stretching the syllogism is what I say. True, I lied to Sasaki about being doctor, because I was suspicious of Kage. Too “coincidental”. Of course, Csar has got back to me, and now I know he is, but I had to be sure.

But you can only hold me as suspicious for lying.

I was going to come clean to Sasaki and Sigurd, but then they started arguing full throttle to lynch me. Too bad I had already asked to commit suicide last night.

You guys really thought me Mafia cause of lying about doctor and the Csar thing (which you really don’t have all the knowledge about Sig)?

Too bad.

Now you punks have 7.

I could have helped, but now I’m just gonna hurt ya...

To the Mafia:

The doctor is most likely not:

Sir Moody
Xiahou
discovery1
Don Corleone

So look at the other two and I’m taking a pretty strong guess that it’s Peasant Phill. Take him out and another townie. Kage will be yours after that, just don’t get investigated. Good luck sir, I actually support you now.

Show these punks who’s boss, and never mess with the Reenkmeister!

If you need any help or info, PM me. I gleamed a bit of info...

[Don Corleone]

Okay, Kagemusha, would you care to explain why the game hasn't ended yet?

As for bandwagoning against Reenk, it wasn't a bandwagon effort.

-Kagemusha had to be the detective. Csar said "Kagemusha was saved by the doctor". Saved means he was in danger of dying. He was only in danger of dying if he really was targeted. That means he couldn't have been mafia. If he wasn't mafia, why on earth would he be helping them?

-So, if Kagemusha IS the detective, then it's a simple process of elimination for him to keep investegating people. Now, Reenk may not have been mafia, as I believe Kagemusha's suspicion was based on the PM, after he got a result telling him who the doctor actually was.

-Let's say Reenk just misplayed his hand. He wasn't really mafia, but decided to pretend to be the doctor. We lynched him due to very suspicious behavior.

-Kagemusha's going to investegate somebody else tonight. He'll get a result. We have 7 players. We lose 2 so we're down to 5. One of whom may actually be the mafia (if it wasn't Reenk).

The only question I have in all of this is how Kagemusha explains that the game isn't over when he predicted it would be. Kagemusha?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Reenk was mafia

[Kagemusha]

The reason Don is thar becouse in this game Mafia could target other mafiosi.I targeted myself last night and the Doctor saved me.

[Don Corleone]

OOOHHHH. I see it all so clearly now. The other twist is that there was really 5 mafia all along. Makes perfect sense.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@Reenk: I thought you'd figure it out when people started voting you. It was amusing to pretend it was because of Sigurd's "charts and timelines" though. He could hardly have been pm'ing them since he wasn't online

I think your doctor claim strategy was a bit too bold. But I guess you didn't know Kage would be told if he investigated the doctor, neither did I.

[Kagemusha]

OOOHHHH. I see it all so clearly now. The other twist is that there was really 5 mafia all along. Makes perfect sense.

Actually there was 2 towns people,doctor,detective and all the rest were Mafiosos. I can tip you that the towns people were Prole and Reenk.

[Reenk Roink]

@Reenk: I thought you'd figure it out when people started voting you. It was amusing to pretend it was because of Sigurd's "charts and timelines" though. He could hardly have been pm'ing them since he wasn't online

I think your doctor claim strategy was a bit too bold. But I guess you didn't know Kage would be told if he investigated the doctor, neither did I.

I never bought the charts. That was obvious BS (sorry Don, but you weren't convincing ). Why do you think I kept asking for proof?

Like I said, I knew the argument was "Oh, Reenk's claiming to be a doctor, so he's mafia" and all that.

I knew you were playing me from the start. I said I was doctor, and your first reply was "cool"?!?!? That gave it away right there. However, with your help, I basically deducted the 4 people that couldn't be doctor, and now I have my guess of PP.

So I just gave the secrets away to the mafia. Toodles.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That would make sense...if you weren't mafia.

I said I was doctor, and your first reply was "cool"?!?!?

It was "sweet" for Kage


Nice guess on the doc btw

Though you really should of figured he had a role earlier from his increased posting :p

[Reenk Roink]

That would make sense...if you weren't mafia.

[Kommodus]

The reason Don is thar becouse in this game Mafia could target other mafiosi.I targeted myself last night and the Doctor saved me.

Ok, that is just plain cheesy.

The story told of a mafioso breaking into your house, tackling you, and trying to kill you. There's no way anyone could've interpreted that any other way than the way they did. Dirty trick if you ask me, and rather lame. I don't think it's right when the game's outcome is determined by misunderstandings of the rules. Targeting one's self should not be allowed, and if the mafia are allowed to target each other, that should be clarified in the opening rules.

Other than that, what can be said about this game... nice job Kagemusha and Sasaki! Once again you succeeded in stringing the town along. Looks like Kagemusha's detective deception was very well done and extremely effective.

You're lucky I dropped out of this one early and didn't follow it... although with twists as odd as the ones in this game, I probably wouldn't have gotten it anyway. In games with only one mafia faction, we're used to the idea that assassinated players have been proven innocent. Without knowledge of that rule change, the answer here would've been nearly impossible to attain.

There's one thing I don't understand - besides Kage and Sasaki, who else was mafia here? It's obvious that there are more, because otherwise Sasaki wouldn't be claiming victory yet. With seven people remaining, the deaths of two more will leave five. If the game is over, there must be at least two more mafia besides Kage.

EDIT:

Actually there was 2 towns people,doctor,detective and all the rest were Mafiosos. I can tip you that the towns people were Prole and Reenk.

What??? I wasn't a mafioso, and I had no other special roles either.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh Kommodus we're just messing around. Prole and Reenk were the mafia, the game is over.

[Reenk Roink]

the game is over.

You really think that don't ya...

[Kommodus]

Oh Kommodus we're just messing around. Prole and Reenk were the mafia, the game is over.

Boy, am I embarrassed. You guys are so silly. Here, have a balloon.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You really think that don't ya...

Yes

You sound as convincing as always but I'm not buying it. You had no way of knowing I knew who the doctor was in the first place, so there's no way you started pm'ing me with the intention of finding that out. If you were really unsure of Kage you would be much lacking in your normal judgemant and you could have settled the question much easier by pm'ing him. I'm sure you figured out I was on to you pretty fast, I sent you some obvious hints and Sigurd mentioned the doctor claim in the thread...and you know I'm not silly enough to believe some of the stuff you sent me I'd doubt you knew from the first pm though, otherwise you'd have tried this bad townie story earlier.

If I wasn't sure, why would I confirm that peasant phill doctor? That would give him away to be killed tonight and I certainly wouldn't want to do that.

[Csargo]

Peasant Phill was strolling throught the park having a very pleasant day. Little did he know that the mafioso was still on the loose. PP's head was sliced off from behind. He never saw it coming.

Kagemusha thought himself invincible since he thought the Doctor would always protect him. Little did he know that wasn't the case on this day. The mafioso walked out from behind a tree and shot Kage in the head. He was dead and the Doctor was no where to be found.

Get voting people!


Sir Moody-

Dutch_Guy-

Discovery1-

Don Corleone-

Xiahou-

[GeneralHankerchief]

the game is over.

O RLY?

Come on, people, we don't have that many more chances. I suggest Don, but Disco's looking more and more like a suspect.

Edit: Fairly short turnaround time between execution and kills. Let me investigate this a bit further.

[Kommodus]

If I wasn't sure, why would I confirm that peasant phill doctor? That would give him away to be killed tonight and I certainly wouldn't want to do that.

Boy, I bet you're embarrassed now...

Phew, I just had a good laugh. Good luck, townies. I'm still not getting into this one.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I had it on faith from Csar that the game was over but I guess he was lying.

[Kagemusha]

Either Reenk really is the friend of the mafia townie of the year or then this is somekind of twist.