Anyone Find Some Province names particularly stupid??

**Ibn Munqidh** · 11-22-2006, 22:59

Hi,

As the title says it, what province/settlement names do you disagree with.

To me, its arabia, some ill-knowledged person, who decided not to bother doing any research, called entire arabia, Jeddah, which was at that time but a small, not so important port on the red sea, when there was contemporarily, many other important settlements in northern arabia that could have been included in the map, and the province still be called arabia.

**Zenicetus** · 11-23-2006, 00:26

Well, I was born in the state of Florida, so maybe I'm extra sensitive to this.... but the choice of "Miccosukee" as a New World province name for Florida seems really wrong, on historical grounds.

At the time of first Spanish contact, the main tribe up in the Panhandle would have been the Apalachee, with the Calusa and Tequesta along the southwest and southern coast... both fierce tribes that the Spanish never formally conquered. Juan Ponce de Leon was killed by a Calusa arrow. Those guys didn't mess around... they were the closest thing to an Aztec equivalent in Florida.

The Miccosukee Indians are offshoots of the Creek, who lived in Alabama and Georgia (just north of Florida). As far as I know, their main contact with the Spanish dates to the early 1700's, when they were convinced to move south into Florida to act as a buffer against British and French colonials. Until then, the Miccosukee had only been into Florida on hunting trips... they never lived there until after 1712 or thereabouts.

It would have been better to move the town location down the west coast of Florida and name it "Caloosahatchee" after the dominant tribe in the area, with the most developed civilization and largest towns, and in memory of Ponce de Leon's contact with them.

**Sheogorath** · 11-23-2006, 01:04

I dont think Moscow existed when the game starts, for one >_>

Buda and Pest (IE: Budapest) were seperate cities.

I think Constantinople was on both sides of the straits at this point, but I can let that one slip for game-mechanics purposes :P

Where did they get 'Bulgar' from? I guess they couldnt find any towns that actually existed that far east at the time >_>

**46852** · 11-23-2006, 07:40

The Finnish province is called Helsinki, which is quite wrong, as Helsinki, which is Finland's capital at the moment, was founded in 1550.

Proper name for the village might be "Turku", as it was the Finnish capital in the medieval ages. Although historically that wouldn't be entirely correct, as Turku wasn't founded until in the early 13th century. I think Finland didn't have any villages worth naming before that

**Quin** · 11-23-2006, 09:51

Provinces are named after cities, which is wrong IMHO. It helps to find a province easier, but it is still somehow strange. Practically every province name is wrong, from Vienna to Hamburg.
Not to mention the fact, that, for example, Bordeaux wasn't the only city in Aquitaine and the fact that it IS its capital (Poitiers doesn't even exist in this game) doesn't mean that whole province should be named after it.

Perhaps the strangest province name, IMO, is Zagreb for the whole northern Balkan peninsula. Zagreb became important city with its own autonomy in the middle of 13th century + there were dozens of other more important cities in that region.

**PseRamesses** · 11-23-2006, 10:25

Originally Posted by 46852

The Finnish province is called Helsinki, which is quite wrong, as Helsinki, which is Finland's capital at the moment, was founded in 1550.

Same thing with Stockholm that was founded by Birger Jarl in 1250 ad. More accurate would have been to use Uppsala instead. Skara, however, was far greater in importance and Visby, on the isle of Gotland, played a tremendous important role as a trade-hub for the whole north.

**Aks K** · 11-23-2006, 13:18

Again the same thing with Aarhus, though it did exist when the game starts. Clearly Roskilde should be the province capital since the kings where buried there and there was build a cathedral in 1175. As for the region name I have only

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But I am waiting for EB2 to correct all this - actually to make it to R2TW.
This is a good game, but hardly historical correct to say the least.

Aks K

**Daveybaby** · 11-23-2006, 13:47

To my admittedly limited knowledge, there has never been a city named arabia. M2TW doesnt have provinces, it has cities... with... erm... unnamed areas around them.

**absents** · 11-23-2006, 14:03

Yes, I find it particularly stupid that there AREN'T any province names in this game. That is untrue - there are three specific province names as I understand, Isle of Crete, Isle of Rhodes, and Isle of Cyprus.

**Scipio Africano** · 11-23-2006, 14:56

I agree on the province names. But that would give us even more to whine about.

Has to be possible to change this somewhere.

And if it bothers you so much conquer it ASAP and change it yourself. Its what I did with Antwerp and Bruges.

**Ibn Munqidh** · 11-23-2006, 15:40

Originally Posted by Quin

Provinces are named after cities, which is wrong IMHO. It helps to find a province easier, but it is still somehow strange. Practically every province name is wrong, from Vienna to Hamburg.
Not to mention the fact, that, for example, Bordeaux wasn't the only city in Aquitaine and the fact that it IS its capital (Poitiers doesn't even exist in this game) doesn't mean that whole province should be named after it.

Perhaps the strangest province name, IMO, is Zagreb for the whole northern Balkan peninsula. Zagreb became important city with its own autonomy in the middle of 13th century + there were dozens of other more important cities in that region.

Same thing with Bordeux, I think the province was actually called Aquitaine, not Bordeux.