Getting armor, weapon and valor upgrades via retraining

**R'as al Ghul** · 12-01-2006, 11:44

Sinan,

some Ha units have a limit on how much armour they can have.
More would limit their moveability and is not applied.

R'as

**Shahed** · 12-01-2006, 11:50

Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul

Sinan,

some Ha units have a limit on how much armour they can have.
More would limit their moveability and is not applied.

R'as

True. It was silly in MTW, Turcomen going around with plate armor.

Turcomen do get light mail upgrade though.

I love this new armor system. It's excellent and adds a nice and important detail.

**Derfel von Saljeth** · 12-01-2006, 13:52

Originally Posted by Sinan

True. It was silly in MTW, Turcomen going around with plate armor.

Turcomen do get light mail upgrade though.

I love this new armor system. It's excellent and adds a nice and important detail.

I would like a real upgrade statwise. If you give padded armor to a nacked unit, i would like them to have same base armor of other padded armor protected unit . not just 1

**Slaists** · 12-01-2006, 17:09

If the idea that valor (even a couple points) help a lot in correct charges, at least for knights - the valor upgrades become crucial. You can have a 0-valor knight unit, not knowing what it's doing in the battlefield or +2 valor upgraded versions that charge much more consistently. I would go for the latter.

**Shahed** · 12-01-2006, 21:25

Originally Posted by Derfel von Saljeth

I would like a real upgrade statwise. If you give padded armor to a nacked unit, i would like them to have same base armor of other padded armor protected unit . not just 1

That would make sense for units that have 0 armor, to go to, for example 3 when they get padded armor. Thereafter +1 or so. I wonder if the game has levels for this or is it all +1 ?

**Derfel von Saljeth** · 12-01-2006, 21:36

Originally Posted by Sinan

That would make sense for units that have 0 armor, to go to, for example 3 when they get padded armor. Thereafter +1 or so. I wonder if the game has levels for this or is it all +1 ?

Well... they only have 3 armor but they wear a partial plate armor (they are militia pikemen with full armor upgrade)

I hope it will be moddable or implemented somehow

**Shahed** · 12-01-2006, 22:25

I wonder if TW will ever reach it's full potential. It seems the further thye go the more there is to add. Which is a good thing IMO, but just hope they don't run out of game concepts.

My idea on armor is a) each level, padded etc has a armor rating i.e 3-4-5 etc b) it changes the way the troops look on the field. Obviously the armor rating takes care of all the other statical survivability factors.

**Quillan** · 12-01-2006, 22:34

There seems to be a random bug with the upgrades for armor and experience of newly recruited units. As Spain, I can recruit almughavars with 1 experience if I have a big enough barracks at a castle. I recruit 3 of them. They come out with 0 exp. I retrain all 3. 2 of them now have 1 xp, one does not, but I was charged for all 3 upgrades. I retrain the 1 again. It still has no experience. I retrain the 1 a third time, and now finally it gets the 1 xp it was supposed to have at the start. I've ordered 3 units to retrain for armor upgrades when they were at full strength, and not gotten any, or only gotten 1 or 2 units with the upgrades. I can't depend on it working. However, retraining to restore the unit to full strength works perfectly.