Israel is protecting war (ww2)criminal accused of genocide

[KrooK]

Sounds strange.
In some previous discussions I mentioned Salomon Morel.
Here I found official documents about him - its from IPN - Commision to Detect Crimes Against Polish Nation. IPN is special organ to detect war crimes and communist crimes.


That guy was accused of genocide but Israel don't want neither extradite nor
judge him. Into that article there is official Israel document. What is interesting, that document doesn't tell the truth. In my opinion Israel is protecting that criminal only because he is Jew. And this is nothing than
RACISM.



http://www.ipn.gov.pl/eng/eng_news_high_morel.html

Read and tell....

[Avicenna]

If what you say was true, it would be very interesting if Heydrich wasn't dead and was now in Israel.

FYI, Heydrich is the infamous Nazi Jew who co-ordinated concentration camps.

[Watchman]

Heydrich... I think I recall the name. Got killed by a few British-trained Austrian Resistance types, right ?

About the only top-ranking guy in the whole Nazi regime who fit the physical image of an Aryan superman too...


Anyway, going by the link this Morel guy sounds like one jolly fellow. It's kind of telling when a '45 Communist adminstration fires a prison camp chief for what roughly amounts to "malign neglect" and "excessive brutality"...

Israel harboring the guy for no other reason than being a Jew sounds also plausible enough. Or at least so far as I know not a few of those Stern Gang Zionist ultras who during WW2 had talks with the Nazis over the prospect of allying against their mutual foe the Brits later made a career in Israeli politics without any hitches, and if that flew at the time I don't see it as particularly impossible that they wouldn't care too much about some Poles and Germans fifty years ago.

[KrooK]

If oyu mean Reinchard Heydrich - he was killed but not by Austrian but Czech Resistance.

[Watchman]

If oyu mean Reinchard Heydrich - he was killed but not by Austrian but Czech Resistance.

I stand corrected.

Polish cabinet ministers openly declare themselves antisemites and speak of 'Jewish Communist plots' intended to turn Poland into a 'Jewish reservation'. --- Polish antisemites really have themselves to blame.

What, they've jumped on that bandwagon too now ? As if being asinine to both the Germans and Russians at once wasn't enough.

[KrooK]

Adrian II - he doesn't have to be extradited to Poland. I'm sure Israel has courts too. And notice that Israel don't tell that polish courts are bad. They are telling that he might commited crimes, maybe many crimes , but he is Jew and Jews should be allowed to commit crimes after ww2.

And one more -sorry but you are in mistake. Into absolute mistake.
If you are talking about powerful antisemitism in Poland, you are not telling the truth. About 2 , or 3 days European Jews Congresss (EJC) finished report about antisemitism into Europe. And Imagine - Poland became country with one of the lowest anti- semitism levels. Polish antisemitism became called verbal antisemitism. There were only a few political attacks on Jews. Actually if someone attack Jew here, police is preparing special investigation group.
Polish Jews confirmed that situation. Picture of polish politics full of antisemitism is just picture made by western press. I wonder if that western press it writing about antisemitism into their countries. Actually antisemitism into Russia, Germany and France is on much higher level than in Poland. But simple no one tells about it.
According to Ilan Moss, author of that report - "Here (into Poland) Jews feels safe. On the west there is completely different. There we have alliance of nazists, muslim imigrants and extreme left and we notice more number of aggresive behavior against Jews."
According to chairman of Central Jews Council situation into Germany is getting dangerously closer to this from 1933.

So antisemitism is not explanation. Israel knows that reports.
Salomon Morel is simply criminal and Israel protect him. He is accused of genocide which is crime into almost every country in the world. So if he is accused of genocide, he should be judged - no matter where - Poland or Israel.

[Adrian II]

And this is nothing than RACISM.

Hold your fire now. The Israeli term of limitation is a law of the land, it can not be changed at Polish request. And I think Israel will not deliver a single Jew into the hands of a Polish government under the present circumstances. Polish cabinet ministers openly declare themselves antisemites and speak of 'Jewish Communist plots' intended to turn Poland into a 'Jewish reservation'. For that reason the Polish authorities can not be trusted, for the umpteenth time in modern history, to give a Jew a fair trial.

Polish antisemites really have themselves to blame.

[cegorach]

Hold your fire now. The Israeli term of limitation is a law of the land, it can not be changed at Polish request. And I think Israel will not deliver a single Jew into the hands of a Polish government under the present circumstances. Polish cabinet ministers openly declare themselves antisemites and speak of 'Jewish Communist plots' intended to turn Poland into a 'Jewish reservation'. For that reason the Polish authorities can not be trusted, for the umpteenth time in modern history, to give a Jew a fair trial.

Polish antisemites really have themselves to blame.

WHAT ! Shame on you, I hope, no I DEMAND your apology !

That is utter nonsence with no reason behind it except the utter ignorance and outdated and not true stereotypes.

Someone who adds so much in historical resource thread should be more careful.

IT OPENLY offended not only me, but many other Poles who care about the entire Polish-Jewish relationship.

Would you feel good if I started talking rubbish about all Dutch and especially about you ?

- there are not enough furious pics to express my disgust


I REPORT your post right now !

[Adrian II]

WHAT ! Shame on you, I hope, no I DEMAND your apology !

That is utter nonsence with no reason behind it except the utter ignorance and outdated and not true stereotypes.

Someone who adds so much in historical resource thread should be more careful.

IT OPENLY offended not only me, but many other Poles who care about the entire Polish-Jewish relationship.

Would you feel good if I started talking rubbish about all Dutch and especially about you ?

- there are not enough furious pics to express my disgust


I REPORT your post right now !

Shall we stay on topic and refrain from personal attacks? After all, what I wrote is nothing new or shocking.

Historically speaking there have been many waves of antisemitism in modern Poland. Some were downright murderous, as when in 1941 the Polish inhabitants of the town of Jedwabne killed and burned the 1600 Jewish inhabitants of their town. The same thing happened in a host of other Polish towns that year. Need I point out other instances of Polish collaboration with the Holocaust or during the Warsaw ghetto uprising? This is all well-established, I think.

After the war, large sections of Poles from all walks of life persecuted the Holocaust survivors. There have even been post-war Polish pogroms, either encouraged or glossed over and ignored by both the Catholic Church and the Communists. In fact if there was one issue in which the Church and the Communist governments of the post-war period could agree, it was antisemitism. And even today, Polish government ministers indulge in the sort of antisemitic rhetoric I quoted above.

It doesn't help anyone to deny that history and take offense at facts. And it certainly does not help Polish-Israeli relations to the point where Tel Aviv will hand over an Israeli citizen for prosecution in Poland in a highly politicised case like Mr Morel's.

[Stig]

Guys keep it down, we had some fights about this before. Tarrak (Kraxis) isn't on lately not here nor at the Pond or the AO forums (because he has no internet atm), so he can't moderate this, but if this turns into a fight between our nationalistic Polish friends and the rest of the world I can easely send him a mail to check in again because some people have difficulties with debating, as a forum is all about debating

[Adrian II]

Rest assured, I don't need any help from 'the rest of the world' and I have said all that might be said from a Monastic (i.e. historical) perspective. This thread probably belongs in the Backroom which is closed at the moment.

In the interest of forum atmosphere I propose that we close this thread on our own initiative. I will desist now and let our Polish friends have the last word.

[Zalmoxis]

Sounds strange.
In some previous discussions I mentioned Salomon Morel.
Here I found official documents about him - its from IPN - Commision to Detect Crimes Against Polish Nation. IPN is special organ to detect war crimes and communist crimes.


That guy was accused of genocide but Israel don't want neither extradite nor
judge him. Into that article there is official Israel document. What is interesting, that document doesn't tell the truth. In my opinion Israel is protecting that criminal only because he is Jew. And this is nothing than
RACISM.



http://www.ipn.gov.pl/eng/eng_news_high_morel.html

Read and tell....

Ok, I"ve heard from some of my friends that a (significant) number of the officers that committed genocide against the various people killed during the Holocaust were Jewish themselves. How true is this?

[Kralizec]

Ok, I"ve heard from some of my friends that a (significant) number of the officers that committed genocide against the various people killed during the Holocaust were Jewish themselves. How true is this?

Sounds like a typical WW2 conspiracy theory.

[Redleg]

Ok, I"ve heard from some of my friends that a (significant) number of the officers that committed genocide against the various people killed during the Holocaust were Jewish themselves. How true is this?

From what I have read the number of such individuals is extremely low. Most of the foundation for this arguement was that many of the Jewish Prisoners were put in postions that they either assisted the Germans in the genocide or become victims themselves.

http://www.death-camps.org/occupation/chelmno.html

http://www.death-camps.org/treblinka/treblinka.html

[Zalmoxis]

From what I have read the number of such individuals is extremely low. Most of the foundation for this arguement was that many of the Jewish Prisoners were put in postions that they either assisted the Germans in the genocide or become victims themselves.

http://www.death-camps.org/occupation/chelmno.html

http://www.death-camps.org/treblinka/treblinka.html

Thank you a lot for the information! I just realized how gullible me and my friends are.