Units not in the game that should be?

**lars573** · 11-24-2006, 00:10

Byzantine spearmen are close to Skutatoi. Close as your gonna get without modding. Funning thing is I've seen 2 descriptions of Skutatoi 1 has them wearing textile armour with a felt helemt. The other has them with a lamellar cuirass between 2 textile layers.

The only thing I see them missing is Stratiotai. Which I think I saw in the Venician roster.

**lancelot** · 11-24-2006, 02:13

Interesting info, thanks.

Whats the deal woth Stratiotai?

Also what happened to that Pronoial ailagion unit (sp???) from MTW1?

I remember someone ages ago mentioning Tagmata...is that a formation or a unit?

**lars573** · 11-24-2006, 05:38

Stratiotai are post 4th crusade kataphractoi/lancers.

Tagmata were an evolution of the Comitetenses and Palantinae forces. They full time soldiers stationed around Constantinople. Each was about 4000 (on average but the varation was given as 1000-6000) strong. There were about 6-8 each of cavalry and infantry. I've read 3 articles about and each translated the name "Tagmata" as a different modern formation. Battalion, regiment, and brigade were all used. I'd use regiment or brigade personally.

As for Pronoial ailagion I think that much like the schimitar swinging tunic wearing byz-inf from MTW they tossed it. But the description of the new Byz-cav ascribes those men as having pronoial land grants, the new byz-inf too.

**IrishArmenian** · 11-24-2006, 05:47

Lowland nobles for the Scots. They have Highland Nobles, so why not Lowland ones? Lowland Nobles of course, would fight in a much different way, as they had contact with other forms of warfare (Welsh, Norman, etc.)

**Furious Mental** · 11-24-2006, 06:12

War wagons. They were mentioned in an IGN preview but from what I can tell are absent from the game.

**slav frunze** · 11-24-2006, 07:19

Originally Posted by Furious Mental

War wagons. They were mentioned in an IGN preview but from what I can tell are absent from the game.

I second that.

**Bullethead** · 11-24-2006, 06:19

Originally Posted by IrishArmenian

Lowland nobles for the Scots. They have Highland Nobles, so why not Lowland ones? Lowland Nobles of course, would fight in a much different way, as they had contact with other forms of warfare (Welsh, Norman, etc.)

In my family tree, at least, "Lowland Noble" translates as a sheep-rustling, thatch-burning Border reiver with a larger gang of thugs than most of his neighbors and a small stone tower to live and stash his loot in. Getting more than a couple such men together in close proximity rarely worked out for the good, because most were at perpetual blood feud with their peers. So I can see not having units of these guys but just Border cav units, each one representing one "noble's" gang.

**Kansas Bear** · 11-24-2006, 07:41

Originally Posted by Bullethead

In my family tree, at least, "Lowland Noble" translates as a sheep-rustling, thatch-burning Border reiver with a larger gang of thugs than most of his neighbors and a small stone tower to live and stash his loot in. Getting more than a couple such men together in close proximity rarely worked out for the good, because most were at perpetual blood feud with their peers. So I can see not having units of these guys but just Border cav units, each one representing one "noble's" gang.

As descended from a border clan myself....
From George MacDonald Fraser's book, "The Steel Bonnets". Most border clans had invoked a "hot trod" to recover stolen cattle/property. Commonly using cavalry(of the light variation) to hunt down the reivers.

**Burakius** · 11-24-2006, 09:08

Legendary generals. Im talking Saladin, Fatih Sultan Mehmed, Richard Lionheart, Vladimir Dracula etc. That kind of stuff.

And maybe some extra units. ( cant think up of extra units)