Gunpowder Units

[Musashi]

That's true of Hand Gunners, and to a lesser extent, of Arquebusiers, but Musketeers > All.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well, I don't see why muskets should be so great. They only had an effective range of a hundred yards or so and even during the English civil-war the test of a breast plate was to fire at it point-blank with a pistol. I've seen it done. You get a dent, which is a quality mark.

[troymclure]

Cossask Musketeers are great. They're an easy unit to tech too (just need largest size wall) have attack/defense enough to hold off melee troops (including cavalry) and absolutley destroy things when giving some range and a bit of time. I'm currently using them and dismountev dvors in my russian campaign for a very effective all hybrid melee/missile army.

[danfda]

Cossask Musketeers are great. They're an easy unit to tech too (just need largest size wall) have attack/defense enough to hold off melee troops (including cavalry) and absolutley destroy things when giving some range and a bit of time. I'm currently using them and dismountev dvors in my russian campaign for a very effective all hybrid melee/missile army.

These guys are amazing! Probably a little too uber, but I digress. My biggest problem with them so far is that they like to shoot each other sometimes...

[Musashi]

Well, I don't see why muskets should be so great. They only had an effective range of a hundred yards or so and even during the English civil-war the test of a breast plate was to fire at it point-blank with a pistol. I've seen it done. You get a dent, which is a quality mark.

There's a big difference between the muzzle velocity of a pistol and a full scale battle musket.

Muskets have the same range as a longbow in this game.

PS: Has anyone else tried out the Moors' Camel Gunners? Long range missiles, decent rate of fire, the ability to fire on the move, and 16(!) ranged attack.. I'd lean towards calling them the strongest unit in the game, with the exception of the Timurid elephant cannons

[Valdincan]

That's true of Hand Gunners, and to a lesser extent, of Arquebusiers, but Musketeers > All.

But Musketeers can be expensive when in a long conflict, or when money is running low. I prefer the high rate of fire and cost effectiveness of archers. The only time I use Musketeers is when I'm in a siege, since the walls balance out their slow rate of fire.