how is succesion mechanism works?

**Cardinal-Bishop** · 11-24-2006, 21:31

I ve been playing MTW2 and i noticed that succesion laws are not quite following real patterns.
For example if the king's son is underage and u adopt someone he is next in line for the throne despite the fact that there is a natural son.
A second example is when the oldest son proves himself completely stupid and therefore he is not suited for kingship. What do u do? Stuck with a moron for a king?
There is a historical precedense for that when William I of England named his heir his second son William Rufus while his first-born son Robert was granted just the Duchy of Normandy.
Shouldnt this be fixed soon?

**Yoko Kono** · 11-24-2006, 22:13

in my game as the scots i had a similar issue with adopted sons being heirs after most of my lineage were killed by the backstabbiing english scum (in game that is, no offence meant, my missus is english as are my kids)
i simply waited until a true scot of canmore blood came of age then sent my adopted sons on suicide missions against the english
my dynasty is now secure again

**Scipio Africano** · 11-25-2006, 01:33

My king had his son as heir. Everything fine, only he dies and his eldest son's son is only 11. I would assume that eldest son becomes king and 2nd son heir. Yet instead of 2nd son it is his eldest nephew-in-law. The King's cousins husband, instead of his brother.

This sounds extremely complicated but thats the whole point. Why is it?

Isnt there a console command that can sort this out? I really dont want to have to suicide a whole branch of the family tree (4 sons) just to make sure the right guy is next in line.

**Kansas Bear** · 11-25-2006, 02:13

I'll guarantee it's not primogeniture!!

**Simmons** · 11-25-2006, 02:15

Yes this is an annoying little thing that seems to have been reintroduced, you could select whoever you wanted to be heir in Rome its a small step back though and if we are lucky it might get fixed in a patch if enough people put their hands up.

**Quillan** · 11-25-2006, 04:21

The game doesn't seem to allow for regents. When the king or the heir dies, a new heir is chosen. The method of choosing is correct, but it doesn't take temporary situations into account. If the King's firstborn son was 9 years old, the King's brother might act as regent until the boy turned 16, but would then have to step aside. The game doesn't do that. There should really be a third designation behind Faction Leader and Heir Apparent: Regent Designate. If the faction leader doesn't have an adult male descendant to be heir apparent, then the closest should be titled Regent Designate. When the real heir comes of age, the Regent probably would remain Regent Designate until the new faction leader gets an heir of his own, or someone closer becomes the new Regent Designate. When that happens you could give the former regent the title of Ex-Regent, with perhaps some minor benefits to go with it, like the Ex-Quaestor and such titles from RTW.

**Bullethead** · 11-25-2006, 04:35

Originally Posted by Quillan

The game doesn't seem to allow for regents.

That's a good idea. It would be even cooler if sometimes the regent didn't want to give up power. So he has the young prince murdered before he comes of age, or starts a civil war with the prince once he does come of age.

Out of curiosity, how does succession work for the Turk faction? In real life, as a matter of Ottoman law succession always involved civil war or at least fratricide. Most sultans, due to having harems, had many sons, and the rule was that they should kill each other with the last one standing becoming sultan. All was fair--pre-emptive murder as well as battle--the idea being that God obviously favored whoever won the contest :).