Papal names

[Cardinal-Bishop]

Henry II used this bull to invade and intervene to Ireland as it is written in history...
Remeber Ireland did had Kings of its own back then.
Actually he used the pope (who was englishman too Nicholas Breakspear of St. Albans) to give an excuse to his plans to annex ireland.
After all modern historians dispute if the bull was ever issued since the original copy does not exist and the earliest copy dates back to 1530...

[Lord Condormanius]

Not exactly. By the time Henry had "invaded" Ireland, some of his Norman subjects had already been there and conquered Dublin, Wexford and several other areas that I can't remember off the top of my head. Remember Strongbow? What Henry did, more or less, was remind his subjects that they were in fact subjects of England.

I realize that his document is a bone of contention among historians, but it is not correct to say that all modern historians dipute the existence of the Bull. Me, for instance. There are a lot of documents that we don't have originals of. The reason I am inclined to believe it existed is because there are contemporary accounts that refer to the bull (Gerald of Wales).

I know that Ireland had kings. one of them, Diarmuid MacMurrough, invited Henry II to Ireland to help him take control and eventually recruited the same Normans who conquered over the next few years.

[Cardinal-Bishop]

Shortly after his coronation, Henry sent an embassy to the newly elected Pope Adrian IV. Led by Bishop Arnold of Lisieux, the group of clerics requested from Adrian a privilege authorising Henry to invade Ireland. Most historians agree that this was the papal bull Laudabiliter. W.L. Warren asserts that Henry acted under the influence of a "Canterbury plot;" Archbishop Theobald of Bec, John of Salisbury, and other Canterbury clergy wished to assert their hierarchical supremacy over the newly created Irish diocesan structure. Other historians have argued instead that Henry intended to secure Ireland as a lordship for his younger brother William.

This is a copy of wikipedia...
It says that Henry was planning to annex Ireland long before Adrian IV so he pressed the newly elect pontiff to issue (if it was ever issued) the Bull.
He used the pope to secure his interests in the island,

[Lord Condormanius]

This is a copy of wikipedia...
It says that Henry was planning to annex Ireland long before Adrian IV so he pressed the newly elect pontiff to issue (if it was ever issued) the Bull.
He used the pope to secure his interests in the island,

That is a theory, yes. What Henry's plans were will forever remain a mystery.

..And please, Wikipedia is perhaps the most unreliable source of information available.

[Cardinal-Bishop]

This part of wikipedia i quoted is the exact copy of Britannica encyclopedia 1911 edition...
And thats the theory most historians agree that is closer to the reality...
Henry was in good terms with the Papacy as long as Adrian IV was Pope....
When he died he fell out with his succesors and he got excommunicated by Pope Alexander III after the assassination of Archbishop Becket and the kingdom was placed under interdict.

[Lord Condormanius]

This part of wikipedia i quoted is the exact copy of Britannica encyclopedia 1911 edition...

...and like any other encyclopaedia entry, it is a very broad generalization.

And thats the theory most historians agree that is closer to the reality...

I don't think I know what you mean by this. What theory? That Henry was planning on conquering Ireland? Maybe, but a lot of that is conjecture. That the Pope and Henry II were conspiring? Yeah, probably.

Whatever the case, it is fact that when Henry took Ireland (the parts of Ireland that he did take) he took from the Normans, who were his own subject to begin with, and had been "conquering," for lack of a better word, Ireland for the previous two years. The Normans were there because Diarmuid MacMurough approached Henry II for help. Henry refused, but allowed MacMurrough to recruit a mercenary force from around Wessex. Then things got out of hand.

Henry was in good terms with the Papacy as long as Adrian IV was Pope....
When he died he fell out with his succesors and he got excommunicated by Pope Alexander III after the assassination of Archbishop Becket and the kingdom was placed under interdict.

I'm not disputing any of this. It makes perfect sense that the king of England had been on good terms with the one and only English Pope.

[Cardinal-Bishop]

Henry was planning to take over Ireland and he was about to name his younger brother William as Lord of Ireland...
The election of Cardinal-Bishop of Albano who was an englishman was a blessing for him.
With a pope he could control he sent emissaries at once to Rome to press the pope.
Adrian IV used the fake Donatio Constantini to give pretext to Henry to intervene in Ireland (in reality Constantine the great never issued such a document)
Its ridiculous to think that the pope could decide who was going to be the king in any country of the western europe and who wasnt.
If donatio Constantini was true the pope could have revoked the right of Henry to be King when he was excommunicated and not place the entire kingdom under interdict.