What are "wages" in M2TW? Do they add up?

**econ21** · 11-26-2006, 01:25

I am trying to understand the financial reporting in M2TW because we are trialing a PBM in the throne room where players will have decentralised, settlement level budgets.

I can get everything to add up - the revenue and the army keep, but not the entry for "wages" under expenditures. How is this derived? I assumed it would be the upkeep of agents, but apparently it is rather more than that.

For example, for Scotland, starting wages total 900. But Scotland only has a spy (100 upkeep), a cardinal (100?) and a diplomat (50 upkeep).

Turkey has 1050 wages but the same agents (imam not cardinal).

Denmark has 900 wages, but no diplomat (its merchant is free, as presumably is the Princess).

Can anyone figure it out?

**lars573** · 11-26-2006, 01:32

Family members upkeep is also wages.

**Beefeater** · 11-26-2006, 01:34

It was an age...without mercy. An age...without pity. An age...without properly trained and vetted accountants.

**Quillan** · 11-26-2006, 01:42

Mostly it's the pay for the bodyguards. If you look at the stats on the generals bodyguard, I think it tells you how much it costs in upkeep.

**econ21** · 11-27-2006, 00:13

No, I don't believe it is the bodyguard upkeep. I included that in the army upkeep and, as I say, I got my sum to match the faction financial reporting.

Take the bodyguard upkeep for Scots, for example:

King 333
Prince 333
Edmund 250
TOTAL 913

This can't be the wages, as the wages are only 900. And we have not counted the agent upkeep (250) yet.

**lars573** · 11-27-2006, 04:16

In Rome if you moused over wages it said something along the lines of the amount of family members salaries being paid by this city is X. In other words wages also includes the resources your family members consume. Not the bodyguard unit but the person leading it. So a percentage of that wage number minus agents is being paid to King, Prince, Edmund, and every other active family member every turn.

**Nestor** · 11-27-2006, 07:35

I tested this with Scotland:

1. King, Heir and every general each get 200 florins salary
2. Cardinal gets 150 (not 100 like the priests do)

With the spy (100) and diplomat (50) the numbers now give the correct total amount for salaries (900):

3 generals x 200 = 600
1 cardinal x 150 = 150
1 spy x 100 = 100
1 diplomat x 50 = 50 ---> Total Salaries = 900

**PaulTa** · 11-27-2006, 09:37

Originally Posted by Beefeater

It was an age...without mercy. An age...without pity. An age...without properly trained and vetted accountants.

**econ21** · 11-27-2006, 10:42

Originally Posted by Nestor

I tested this with Scotland:
3 generals x 200 = 600
1 cardinal x 150 = 150
1 spy x 100 = 100
1 diplomat x 50 = 50 ---> Total Salaries = 900

Thanks, Nestor and sorry to the earlier posters for not cottoning on, earlier.

**econ21** · 11-29-2006, 13:19

I'm reopening this thread, as SirRethcir contacted me to say the following:

Originally Posted by SirRethcir

There are a few mistakes in its conclusion.
Ok, here comes the right thing, I think: ;)

Wages:

General: 200
Admiral: 50
Princess: 250
Cardinal/Priest: 100
Merchant: 0
Diplomat: 50
Assassin: 200
Spy: 100