Great leaders

**Thorn Is** · 11-26-2006, 01:51

got link from another forum i visit
i dont agree with some of the list
but it is a good list
and worthy of discusion

http://criterion.uchicago.edu/issues...eatestman.html

that is all

**Julian the apostate** · 11-26-2006, 18:15

i'm not sure if combining them all really gets you the greatest people but its a pretty good list a few deviations i might make but i really like how they actually took the tribes into the names

one big problem: CHARLTON HESTON OVER CHUCK NORRIS BLASPHEMY where is my arson smiley

**IrishArmenian** · 11-28-2006, 01:43

I disagree with one main subject: Belisarius should top the eunoch list.

**LeftEyeNine** · 11-28-2006, 09:04

Too informal something worthy to be of a historical topic. Thanks for share though.

**Subedei** · 11-28-2006, 09:42

What was the problem with Levi Strauss? Academics in Chicago don´t like jeans, or what?!?

**Lorenzo_H** · 11-28-2006, 16:16

hmmm that is an interesting list, but only one man's opinion.

**Geezer57** · 11-29-2006, 15:02

Originally Posted by IrishArmenian

I disagree with one main subject: Belisarius should top the eunoch list.

Belisarius wasn't a eunuch - perhaps you're thinking of Narses, who was a contemporary historical figure?

**Orb** · 11-29-2006, 21:00

Greatest Normans:

Guiscard
Guiscard
Guiscard
Guiscard
Guiscard

and... Guiscard.

They appear to have missed Ivan the Terrible on body parts...

**The Wizard** · 11-29-2006, 22:32

Roger II outshines and simply out-kings his great uncle. If only by the virtue that he was more successful in keeping those dangerous, unruly barons under his control.

And, don't know about you, but Bohemond's life of adventure was equal if not more impressive than that of his father.

**Mooks** · 11-29-2006, 23:27

Greatest Bastards

1. Emperor Shi Huang Di of the Qin Dynasty

2. King William I of the Normans

3. Mayor Charles Martel of the Franks

4. Desiderius Erasmus of Rotterdam

5. King Genseric of the Vandals

Where is king richard the lionheart? He should be on 3 lists actually ; leader, warrior, and bastard.

**Orb** · 12-02-2006, 00:59

Originally Posted by Baba Ga'on

Roger II outshines and simply out-kings his great uncle. If only by the virtue that he was more successful in keeping those dangerous, unruly barons under his control.

And, don't know about you, but Bohemond's life of adventure was equal if not more impressive than that of his father.

Hm...

Well, Roger had a more favourable set of circumstances, in my opinion. Guiscard had very little aid and a great number of very powerful enemies. I'm not saying that Roger II didn't have an uncomfortable start, but I don't think he had the same difficulty establishing power to begin.

Bohemond is possibly more interesting, probably not more impressive. Guiscard threatened to take the Byzantine empire and was only stopped by a fever at the age of about sixty or seventy. Sadly, Bohemond's defeat at the hands of Alexius prevented any hope of a Norman Greece