The plague is insane!

[Werner]

The plague is a disaster in this game, nothing like how it was in RTW. One city got the plague randomly, just as the spanish were invading. To refortify my positions along the border I started moving troops around and two other cities got it. Now I'm receiving losses of nearly 200+ troops per turn and thousands of citizens. The first battle I successfully defended against the Spanish, receiving heavy casualties. Now the spanish troops get the plague after coming in contact with my infected troops and start spreading it on their home front and along the country side.

In a nut shell the plague is everywhere and everyone is dieing. Has anyone else noticed the strong effects of the plague in M2TW vs. previous total war's?

[Napoleon Blownapart]

Yeah, the Black Death just hit my Spanish Empire. My treasury still hasn't recovered, as you can't tax dead people.

[Jagger]

One of my agents came down with the plague in a Byzantium city. Needless to say, he isn't coming home. It is now turn 100 and that is the only plague I have seen so far.

In reality, the plague wiped out 1/3 of Europes population IIRC. So it should be very bad.....

[LegioScythia]

Seems that the black plague is a lot more weaker to the east playing as the Turks i only encountered it in Constantinople and some more western Providences the effects are pretty devastating as well i had the plague spread all they way to America (which i conquered) and it almost eliminated all of my population . As the English the blow was so hard half of my family tree died out my priest ,bishops ,merchants ,spies, assassins weren't spared either . And my treasury drained out completely

[Midnight]

Wow - I've not had a campaign go long enough to get to the Black Death yet. When does it hit? Mid-1300s (which is what in regular turns? Around turn 135?)?

[Werner]

Wow - I've not had a campaign go long enough to get to the Black Death yet. When does it hit? Mid-1300s (which is what in regular turns? Around turn 135?)?

Mine hit around turn 100, but I think its random when it comes.

[Lukasa]

The Black Death is slightly seperate from the more local plagues. I'd had some minor plague problems with France, but nothing too bad. Then the Black Death event. Try having plague in EVERY SETTLEMENT AT ONCE. See how your economy does after that!

[rios]

the plague locations and dates are listed in descr_events file.

[Forward Observer]

Actually the plague has helped me. I was bursting at the seems in all my regions causing rioting in several, putting my finances in shambles.

After a few turns the plague seemed to get my poplulation back under control, so it's wasn't all bad. The're just virtual peasants anyway--let them eat virtual cake--ha, ha!

[Burns]

Plague event is awesome. Just another curve ball from God. Gotta love it!

[Werner]

the plague locations and dates are listed in descr_events file.

Is that file random with every campaign?

[Stolpmeister]

I've had it hit around 135 both times I've played that far... that's year 1350... which is cool, since the real plague hit Europe around 1347. Playing as Spain and holding 40 territories, it killed off 45000 citizens and 1500 soldiers and 10 family members on one turn. That was at its peak, but it was always pretty bad. I also had the experience of gaining money from it, rather than losing, since it gets rid of all that squalor in cities that I had built up as economic powerhouses... no beggars in the streets when you can just take your dead neighbours house and job, I guess.

[Werner]

Thats a good point, but I wonder if there's another way to control squalor other than huge garrisons of troops or the plague? I've found it to be a major problem recently, with cities reaching 20 and 30 thousand citizens I'm having problems keeping them all under wraps. Maybe the plague hit just in time :)

[ShadowStriker]

I'm so stupid... Thye black death was nearly over and only London was affected, and without thinking clearly, I moved some troops from London to a couple other cities, the Black Death has started again!

[knoddy]

i had the plague in a few random cities, not really hurting much in my english camp, then the black death hit. every single city i controlled, i went from about 30 000 florins a turn to -10 000. really hurt my income alot, i was at about -20 000, florins when it was finally swept from my cities and my incomes returned to normal. great event imo :D

Cheers Knoddy

[Wizzie]

I'm just reading the section on the black death in "Set in A Silver Sea" by Arthur Bryant. I quote "[The Black Deatb resulted in] a mortality rate higher than that expected today from Nuclear War".

Wow.

[Jan Zamoyski]

Is it possible to disable black death by editing event_descr file?

[knoddy]

ouch well i just got the black death event warning in my byzantium campaign, and heres a screenie from about 2/3 turns latter lol, so hurty.

https://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/knoddy/plauge.jpg

https://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y7...dy/plauge2.jpg

just have to hope i dont lose too many family members to it, fingers crossed lol.

[Antagonist]

I'm at Turn 140 in my longest campaign and I haven't seen it yet, seems like I have something unpleasant in store...

Antagonist

[knoddy]

well the plague is finally being swept from my lands, huzzah, i still have a few settlements and family members but nowhere near the large scale of the black death. Total death toll:

approx 115 000 citizens of my many cities and castles.
5 family members which wasnt really a big hit seeing as i have 30 ish, but it did hurt cos several of them were very young promising generals.

to the person asking about editing the events file, i honestly dont know if this would work or not, I dont htink that would be it, cos i think u would still have to remove the trigger, but that said, if the descr file is the trigger to let the game know to do the event it may well work. GL, but imo leave it in, its frustrating but def adds to the immersion.

Cheers Knoddy

[Werner]

Is there anything that can be done to extinguish the plague faster?

[malkuth]

Why would you want to edit it out. If its hurting you that much imagine what it does to the ai.

[danfda]

I had the Black Death event in my Russian campaign, about turn 140 or so (can't recall exactly). Had the miserable Yersinia in every one of my settlements, and I lost probably 10,000+ civilians per turn for half a dozen turns. It really squashed my cities. I was just about ready to build some huge stone walls in Kiev, and after the plague I had to wait for many years in order to be able to build them again, I lost so many people. I lost a couple family members, and had troop levels reduced to about half in most of my cities. All in all, it was sweet.

I shoulda screenied it...

[Nestor]

In the event of a plague take your named characters out of the settlement at once and keep them separated in the countryside for the next turn. I found that there is a good chance they don't get affected on the first turn. You have to be careful though with the message after the next turn to see who is really affected and who is not.

[knoddy]

i thought about that, but it seemed like soo much effort :P i just let it happen and enjoyed it alot even tho it pwnt me hard lol.

[discovery1]

Any one do some tests with using plague as a weapon? Say the plague breaks out in one of your cities. You have a spy that gets the plague. You send that spy to a rivals town. Said town is then infected. Repeat.

Is this an effective way of spreading the plague or is it just a pipe dream?

[Werner]

Any one do some tests with using plague as a weapon? Say the plague breaks out in one of your cities. You have a spy that gets the plague. You send that spy to a rivals town. Said town is then infected. Repeat.

Is this an effective way of spreading the plague or is it just a pipe dream?

You hit the nail on the head. Exactly what I'm in the process of doing now, sending lowly spys to enemy settlements. How evil I am

[knoddy]

quite possible, but only uselful when u have the normal plague, when the black death rolls in, pretty much every settlement gets it, so its not that useful.

[Beren Son Of Barahi]

i found the best way to ride out the plague is to sack a city just as it hits, then cancel all your buildings, (the black death stops all your trade, thus your money)stop your building (expenditure) and you shouldn't be having -10k-20k turns... the plague is awsome, after the plague starts to wind down, start hitting the computer hard, they loose just of much as you.

[Hatchet]

The black death doesnt actually come around until pretty late in the game. After gunpowder, after the eyeglasses, after football is banned, after the first public clock. Infact, as time goes on messages come up pointing out how the plague keeps spreading.
If your only losing thousands, chances are your getting a normal plague.
In my English campaign I had only one province that had the black death (I stayed on the upper corner of the map) and I was still losing about 5000 peeps each turn.

And no, it isnt random, it hits certain places at certain times in every campaign.