Quote Originally Posted by Goofball
Not true. The Israelis don't just blindly fire in the general direction of Palestine and hope that they kill somebody. They are taking specific aim at targets that they believe represent a real threat to their security.

The Arabs, on the other hand, are just blindly firing rockets in the general direction of Israel, hoping that they will kill a Jew or three, whether or not those particular Jews happen to represent a specific threat to them.

You seem to be ignoring that very important difference.

Take a step back and breath deeply, honourable Dâriûsh. I think that that's about the closest I have ever seen you come to ad hominem.

I put the word "innocent" in quotations because I believe that ever since the Palestinians elected a known terrorist organization with genocide as its stated goal as their legitimate government, they have lost any moral high-ground that they might ever have been able to cling to.


Nothing incorrect in that statement.
Lets get some fact into the conversation here.
You denounce Palestinians for electing to power men who say they would commit genocide. Isrealis have leected men into power who have commited genocide. Ever heard of Ariel sharrons little dealing with the Phalangists in Lebbenon? I'd advise you to make backround checks before making satments like that.

In 1982 Begin launched a bloody attack on Lebanon, which resulted in the deaths of over eighteen thousand people mostly Plastinian refugees. O the assualt on civilians including the continuous bombing of Beirut and the saturation bombing of all major Plestinian refugee cams in southern Lebanon, Begin said, " Not for one moment would I have any doubt that the civilian population deserves punshment". He describedthe Palestinians as two legged beasts. As for the massacare in the Sabra and Chatila camps in Beirut, for which the Isrealis were held responsible, Begin dismissed this Shame as the anti-semetism of "goyim", a pejorative term for gentiles.

In 1953, Sharon commanded Unit 101 of the Isreali army, whose 'mission' it was to carry out 'special reprisals across the state's borders. On the night of October 14, Sharon laid siege to the village of Qibya. His orders From general command were to 'attack the village and temporarily hold and occupy it, carry out destruction and maximum killing, in order to drive out the inhabitants of the village from their homes.' He passed this on to his men with these words "Objective to attack the village of Kibiya [sic], occupy it and cause maximal damage to life and property, signed Major Ariel Sharon."

In June1982, General Sharon, now defence minister, ordered the invsion of Lebanon to destroy "the terrorist infastructure" of the PLO, which was based in Beirut. This was a terrible, murderous episode. Laying siege to Muslim west Beirut, the Isrealis cut off water, eletricity and food supplies and bombed the city, using phosphorus shells and American-supplied cluster bombs in the warren of streets, During the first two weeks, an estimated fourteen thousand Palestinians and Lebanese were killed and twenty thousand wounded, the vast majority of these civilians. According to UNICEF, ten children were killed for every Palastinian fighter. By Septemer, The PLO had decided to evacuate Beirut and, overseen by international forces, thousands of Palastinians baorded ships that would take them to other Arab countries, while their women and children remained behind. With the evacuation complete Sharone claimed "2000" terrorists" remained in the refugee camps; offering no eveidence, he oredered the "encircling and sealing" of Sabra and Chatila camps. On September 16, he allowed the Phalngists who were fascists trained. armed and paid by Isreal and with a history of britality and hatred of Palestinian, into these two camps. They systematically murdered the lederly, women and childre.

The massacare took just under forty hours. The Phalangists were in constant communication with the Isrealis, who could see into the camps and fired flares to light the way for their clients'.

The UN called the massacares "an act of genocide". The Isreali Commision of Inquiry, could offer no evidence that a single terrorist was present in the camps.

The plain, shocking truth.