Charlemagne!! Didn't have to think about that one!
Charlemagne!! Didn't have to think about that one!
Hammer, anvil, forge and fire, chase away The Hoofed Liar. Roof and doorway, block and beam, chase The Trickster from our dreams.Vigilance is our shield, that protects us from our squalid past. Knowledge is our weapon, with which we carve a path to an enlightened future.
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Alex - though, I'd prefer to ride. And get to see more of the known world than pretty much anyone else alive at the time. Oh, and have a pretty good chance of acquiring much wealth &c.
Pompey, though I'd ditch him after his Eastern campaign. Much the same reasons as above.
Lieutenant Chard. Wouldn't mind a gong...
Otherwise though, I'll stick with present day western armies... for preference, oh, I dunno, AAC or cav. With a healthy dose of US kit (they do know how to pamper their soldiers better than we).
Julius Caesar
Rogers
Grant
Forrest
Bradley
Hackworth
among "furriners:"
Boru
Hannibal
Sulla
Kesselring
Lawrence
Clive
Haig (sorry, bad joke. NFW)
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
Richard a decent military commander? How about the greatest military commander of his generation. Id gladly grab a sword and fight in his adventures.Originally Posted by Innocentius
Other then him id say Gauis Julius Caesar. The 30-50 mile marches a day would be pretty rough. But he was one hell of a general and his soldiers became very very well off.
On the healthcare part. Im sure in centurys to come, there will be a cure from cancer, viruses ect ect. Then they will say "Who would want to die from things you can cure with modern medicine?".
Also:
Temujin
Jochi
Subedei
"Half of your brain is that of a ten year old and the other half is that of a ten year old that chainsmokes and drinks his liver dead!" --Hagop Beegan
Oh yes, I merely meant that there were many unsuccesful raids on the French coast "orchestrated" by Britain's favorite idiot (Not Blair, mind you this is before he screwed everything up) cost the Canadians many elite fighting units that trained with the SAS and SBS I believe.Originally Posted by Stig
If it was not for the damn stubborness of you Limeys, Montgomery would be widly recognised as one of the worst Commanders ever. He didn't care for any human life.
"Half of your brain is that of a ten year old and the other half is that of a ten year old that chainsmokes and drinks his liver dead!" --Hagop Beegan
Gah. I'm surprised Nobody has said anything of Admiral Nelson!
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Genghis or Attila.
Oh, and Naughtius Maximus.
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Ah yes, but wouldn't that be sailing rather than marching.Originally Posted by Wakizashi
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"Man, being reasonable, must get drunk; the best of life is but intoxication" - Lord Byron
"Where men are forbidden to honour a king they honour millionaires, athletes, or film-stars instead: even famous prostitutes or gangsters. For spiritual nature, like bodily nature, will be served; deny it food and it will gobble poison." - C. S. Lewis
What a load of rubbish. It's very difficult to like Montgomery as a person, but I have never heard of him being accused of deliberately wasting men's lives in any sensible history. In fact, the opposite was more probably the case, with his concern for his troops' lives causing him to be occasionally over-cautious. He had served in the blood-bath of WWI and he had been horrified at the casual slaughter and attitudes to it by the high command.Originally Posted by IrishArmenian
Market Garden was the one occasion when he was over-bold, with an ill-prepared plan of action. However, his own original plan had not been nearly as ambitious as the final one for the operation, which was championed by Ike and others at the top of Allied command.
I've also never heard of any Canadian resentment against Montgomery, although there will doubtless be a few whingers. They even named schools after him. The troops under his command were fiercely loyal to him because he was a common soldier's general. He may not have the 'romantic' dash of a Patton, but I'd say that Patton was far more profligate with the lives of his men.
Montgomery was also praised by German generals, especially when he stepped in and re-organized US troops during the so-called 'Battle of the Bulge'. His problems with the US generals are well documented, yet he had a high regard for Eisenhauer, and for the ordinary American soldier whom he praised fulsomely.
Monty may not have been perfect, but he was in fact a bloody good general.
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Alfred
Harold Godwinson
Pompey
Hanabal
Charles the Great
Richard the Lionheart
Henry V
Monty
Henry VIII
Thats pretty much my order of preference as well. I'd put in our Once and Future King but I can't prove he existed, so he's not historical.
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Nothing new here:
- Aethelstan
- Alfred the Great
- Rodrigo Diaz de Bivar
#Hillary4prism
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Some piously affirm: "The truth is such and such. I know! I see!"
And hold that everything depends upon having the “right” religion.
But when one really knows, one has no need of religion. - Mahavyuha Sutra
Freedom necessarily involves risk. - Alan Watts
Hitler? Stalin?Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
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#Hillary4prism
BD:TW
Some piously affirm: "The truth is such and such. I know! I see!"
And hold that everything depends upon having the “right” religion.
But when one really knows, one has no need of religion. - Mahavyuha Sutra
Freedom necessarily involves risk. - Alan Watts
Why would anyone march with either?Originally Posted by Rythmic
I mean, you are almost certainly guaranteed for death. -.-"
Personally, I seriously doubt anyone here actually have the guts to go on all those old and ancient military marches they patriotically declare they would. Never mind the fighting and the gore, first you gotta know what's in it for the usual marching day and the usual lodgings and food: diseased, uncomfortable, unhygienic, dangerous, Spartan discipline for some armies, and ruinously chaotic situation in others.
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Second that plus there is a vivid illustration of e.g. Greek style battles in John Keegan´s "Histroy of Warfare". Well as I stated...i ilkie hiking, but hate fighting...expect with my digital troops on the field of fun....Originally Posted by AntiochusIII
@ AlexanderofMacedon: I never got the point of Germanophil people of your style [nothing against beer fans, Würstel fans or the like].....here we call them "ewig Gestrige"....
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As I said, Great Migrations raiding: none of the danger, all of the fun![]()
"It ain't where you're from / it's where you're at."
Eric B. & Rakim, I Know You Got Soul
Mandela,
Martin Luther King Jr.,
Gandhi
Datu Lapu Lapu, fought against Magellan and his invaders
Andres Bonifacio, fought against the colonial oppression and slavery of Spain
Geurilla soldiers fighting against the invasion of the Philippines against the Japanese in WWII
Julius Caesar,
Septimius Severus,
Belisarius,
Basil II,
Emperor Constantine XI, in the fall of Constantinople
Saladin,
Cao Cao, from the romance of the three kingdoms era
It would be an interesting experience (albiet a harrowing one) of marching with the leaders of the age of Antiquity to the Medieval Ages, from the intrigue that was the Three Kingdoms to the professional armies of the Romans in late Antiquity to the defense of the great city of Constantine.
If I lived in harsh times such as the colonial Philippines or in WWII, I would definitely help defend my home from such murderers.
In situations like Martin Luther King Jr. and the like, I would definitely march for such a cause.
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War is delightful for those who have not experienced it...
- Desiderius Erasmus
"Walang sansantohin"
Non ducor duco...
Ultimately Innocentius has it right..
That said, my top five would be;
Edgar Aetheling
Charlemagne
Genghis Khan
Mohammed
Penda
When Adam delved and Eve span, Who was then the gentleman? From the beginning all men by nature were created alike, and our bondage or servitude came in by the unjust oppression of naughty men. For if God would have had any bondsmen from the beginning, he would have appointed who should be bound, and who free. And therefore I exhort you to consider that now the time is come, appointed to us by God, in which ye may (if ye will) cast off the yoke of bondage, and recover liberty. - John Ball
Whoever has a just cause
or whoever has a good win/loss ratio
or whoever has enough gold to pay me
In that order
Sounds like a challenge.Originally Posted by AntiochusIII
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General Norman "Dutch" Cota!
The finest infantry division commander of WWII IMO. His leadership was always directed from where infantry soldiers appreciate it-at the front line. Anyone who could have taken the "Bloody" 28th infantry from the Hertugen Forest, and keep them together through the Ardennes campaign where they delayed the entire 5th Panzer Army long enough to allow the 101st Airborne to get into position at Bastogne is alright with me.
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Onasander...the general must neither be so undecided that he entirely distrusts himself, nor so obstinate as not to think that anyone can have a better idea...for such a man...is bound to make many costly mistakes
Editing my posts due to poor typing and grammer is a way of life.
Vasily Chuikov's style was pretty frontline - at one point the oil tank above his CP was hit, and he coolly replied to a concerned HQ that he was where it was brightest. For much of Stalingrad his "Army" strength wasn't much more than a division, if that. Holding together a front that was never more than 200 yards in depth, with no line of retreat, horrendously difficult to resupply, and for much of the time split into several surrounded pockets, long enough for Uranus to be planned (not executed - the holding action began before it was even conceived) and carried out. The 62nd Army was a legend in its time, its commander fittingly the man who took the eventual German surrender in Berlin.Originally Posted by rotorgun
A Soviet Army was a division -- a Soviet Front was the equivalent of a Western Army or Army Group, IIRC.For much of Stalingrad his "Army" strength wasn't much more than a division
"It ain't where you're from / it's where you're at."
Eric B. & Rakim, I Know You Got Soul
Rather a corps... Western division was equal to soviet corps, corps of soviet army and so on.![]()
Without a shadow of a doubt, id love to March under Sir Arthur Wellesley (Later the Duke Wellington).
And id be a rifleman :D
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Caesar Augustus, Julius Caesar, Ghenghis Khan, Kublai Khan, Flavius Aetius, Alexander the Great, Scipio Africanus, Hannibal, Saladin, King Henry the Fifth (I think, whichever one fought at Agincourt), Giuseppe Garibaldi, Napoleon
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