Interesting Diplomacy

**chunkynut** · 11-29-2006, 14:35

Has anyone noticed that the Muslim nations tend to want peace at cost than the catholic factions?

Eygpt will always ask for a ceasefire if you take a region in a crusade, and so far in my spanish campaign as mentioned above the Moor asked for peace.

**Rameusb5** · 11-29-2006, 14:54

All I know about diplomacy is that both the HRE and Milan are dirty backstabbing liars. (They both broke their alliances with me and then made an alliance between themselves in 2 turns, and they did this in TWO consecutive campaigns!)

The OP indicated that they might be more willing to agree to a ceasfire if you have a massive army marching through their lands. Is this true? I would actually like to NOT have my entire eastern boarders embroiled in a war, but neither country will listen to reason. Would sending a massive army into their territories change their minds?

**Beefeater** · 11-29-2006, 15:05

Well the Danes offered me (as France) a ceasefire when I was besieging one of their three remaining cities, which was nice. After a bit of bargaining I got the city in exchange for peace and a tribute split into six 1,000 florin chunks over six turns. Not so shabby :)

This was on Vh/Vh, and the Danes I think needed peace to concentrate on their ongoing war against the Poles.

**chunkynut** · 11-29-2006, 15:07

Having a large stack of troops on their land does seem to improve your chances of getting a deal out of them. I would suggest maybe hanging around for a couple of turns in a defensible position to increase unrest and hurt their bank balance.

The thing that annoys me tho is the fact that if you attack a fleet blockading you (or a beseiging army), your relations with that faction decrease .... surely this is not right as you are just defending your lands etc.

Although you can attack these armies/fleets and not be excommunicated if threatened by the Pope.

**Quickening** · 11-29-2006, 18:57

Originally Posted by chunkynut

Has anyone noticed that the Muslim nations tend to want peace at cost than the catholic factions?

Eygpt will always ask for a ceasefire if you take a region in a crusade, and so far in my spanish campaign as mentioned above the Moor asked for peace.

Lucky you. I took Jerusalem from the Egyptians in a Crusade and they went mental. It was me that ended up begging for a ceasefire

I never got it.

**chunkynut** · 11-30-2006, 11:52

Originally Posted by Quickening

Lucky you. I took Jerusalem from the Egyptians in a Crusade and they went mental. It was me that ended up begging for a ceasefire

I never got it.

Yeah at the moment the eygptians are going mental ... i think the ceasefire was just to train more troops and forment discent in my city, antioch. They made threats then blockaded me, and the city is revolting.

Oh well, the crusade got the Pope on my side, he's now dead and the Pope is one of my cardinals

**Shahed** · 11-30-2006, 12:02

Wow that was great. I've had no such luck with the Turks, everyone hates me for no valid reason. Although I could have vassaled the Egys many times, I'm going for conquest. Other than that my diplomatic relations have been war all the way from turn 4 till turn 90 something and nothing else.

What's more if I want trading rights I usually have to pay some silly 500 or 1000 FL amount or no one wants to trade either.

**chunkynut** · 12-01-2006, 13:33

I had another example, I control all of spain bar Pamplona and Zargorva (north east iberian) and these regions are owned by the french. I'm currently the largest military power, at war with france and have blockaded the said regions (about 5-10 turns) and beseige pamplona (1 turn).

Asked for ceasefire and it said Very Generous, added trade rights and tried to get 1000Fl a turn for 10 turns but the french are broke, so I asked for Pamplona and nothing else and this is the counter offer I got.

4500 Fl for pamplona wasn't bad especially as they went to war with me soon after I had paid it and now I have Zargorva too. I'm playing on Medium.