Timurids: Elephants (Medieval Uber Unit)

**zulukiller** · 12-01-2006, 18:44

Does anyone know whats the best unit is for the english to use against elephants everyone keeps mentioning units from other factions but nothing for the english.

p.s. ive got woodsman guild (robinhood men) and st john guild are they any good ??.

**Dave1984** · 12-01-2006, 19:23

Originally Posted by zulukiller

Does anyone know whats the best unit is for the english to use against elephants everyone keeps mentioning units from other factions but nothing for the english.

p.s. ive got woodsman guild (robinhood men) and st john guild are they any good ??.

Best thing to do for the English is to hire merc javelinmen from somewhere (if you can)

One on one in my tests every English unit has been defeated by a basic unit of elephants, but if you can get about five units of longbowmen behind stakes, using fire arrows and concentrating their fire on the elephants you can usually get them to run amok. But it takes awhile.

**Somebody Else** · 12-01-2006, 19:36

Playing as the English... I used a Kiev. With cannon-towers.

**Doug-Thompson** · 12-01-2006, 19:41

Originally Posted by D Wilson

Best thing to do for the English is to hire merc javelinmen from somewhere (if you can)

One on one in my tests every English unit has been defeated by a basic unit of elephants, but if you can get about five units of longbowmen behind stakes, using fire arrows and concentrating their fire on the elephants you can usually get them to run amok. But it takes awhile.

There seems to be a superabundance of merc javelinmen in Asia Minor, at least for my Egyptian faction.

**Whacker** · 12-01-2006, 19:42

Wow. I am officially changing my opinion to match that of Mr. Wilson. Javelins clean elephant's clocks, pretty quickly too. Jinettes simply mop the floor with them. A few of my findings:

1. Loose vs tight formation does not matter.

2. Double row seems to work a bit better than block formation.

3. Turn OFF skirmish mode, as the elephants never charged me in my tests. *might be fixed in patch

4. If the elephants route, then chase and kill at leisure.

5. If the elephants run amok, THEN either turn skirmish mode back on or be REAL careful and micromanage this, or let them go. I don't recommend letting them go, because they might come back to haunt you.

I do suspect that the unmounted gunpowder units may be even more effective once the reform bug is fixed. The amount of damage the Janissary musketeers did with just 2 salvos in 2 row mode was frightful.

We shall see!

Cheers!

**zulukiller** · 12-02-2006, 04:36

@D Wilson & Doug-Thompson thanks for that ill have to try that when the timurids turn up. Ive already had 2 campaigns ruined because of the crash bug i get with the timurids so im planning on having a very big surprise for them when they eventually turn up at baghdad so i can try and instantly wipe them out as soon as they appear.

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**zulukiller** · 12-02-2006, 05:21

Sorry i couldnt find the edit button ive just though ive got a great cross unit that i hired while on a curesade while passing through italy. It says that it gives a bonus against cavalry does the bonus only work during a cursade or can i use it all the time i.e. against the elephants.