Next Total War game?

[Roman_Man#3]

i think it would be cool if they made a north american total war like game.(stated earlier). it would probably only interest people in north eastern us. and eastern canada. but when the europeans landed in north america. it would be like (time line) the hundred years war between ebgland and france, so the two main factions would be england and france. it would cover eastern north america, and western europe. it could introduce naval battles, and i just think it would be a cool game. it might not work well on the total war engine though. cause geurilla warfare would be needed, and able to make a fort and then upgrade it. but that could be a new feature.

[Kavhan Isbul]

Personally I would like to first get an expansion which covers the Dark Ages - the period between M2TW and Barbarian Invasion. I see no reason why it should be left out, as though nothing happened during these few centuries.

[CaesarAugustus]

I voted Rome 2: Total war, just because the Roman Period is so awesome!

However, Napoleonic Total war wpuld definently be fun, too.

In fact, I really dont care what time period CA does next as long as the map extens to the Far East. China and India have been left out of every total war game so far. Its time that I am allowed to conquer all of Europe and Asia!

Plus a Chinese faction would be really, really fun and different to play. (Martok has some great ideas.)

Of course, my real dream is a Fantasy Total War.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and having a TW game set in North America is absolutely the last thing I would ever want to see. Pretty much all of the major wars that have taken place here were between only 2 powers, so such a game would be incredibly boring.

Agreed on both points.

[Comrade Alexeo]

While I dream of a World War One game by Creative Assembly (I'm only half-joking on the dream part), and even though I love the Roman period (that I'm a reenactor might explain why...), I'd still like to see a Shogun 2, if only because I imagine it would be amazing on whatever engine CA is cooking up for their "revolutionary" game (individual samurai!), and because it's an understudied period.

What I don't want to see is a M3TW, at least not for quite a while, because frankly how many times can they do the medieval period (and same for the other games too - how many times do we really need to fight phalanxes, as glorious as it might become on future engines)? If CA keeps doing "reruns", the series will very quickly stagnate; it works for EA and its sports games (no matter how often they may suck) because 1) EA's Board of Directors long since sold their souls to the Devil and 2) because sports are a vastly more popular subject that Rome/medieval Europe/medieval Japan could ever be. I think what seems to be CA's new strategic plan - new engine, new game, rerun of oldest at that point, new engine, new game, rerun of now oldest at that point - could work quite well, so long as the engines can continue developing enough to the point that M3TW would be as different from M2TW as it is to MTW.

Hell, who am I kidding - I just want more!

[IrishArmenian]

Personally I would like to first get an expansion which covers the Dark Ages - the period between M2TW and Barbarian Invasion. I see no reason why it should be left out, as though nothing happened during these few centuries.

Agreed! I know I would be impressed when I saw how CA pulled of Feudalism and that the Irish states would be:
The big repository of knowledge/ civilisaton
The last Bastion of Catholicism in North Western Europe.

[Grimmy]

I'm betting there'll be an expansion to M2:TW first but I dont count that as "the next" TW, only a finish to this current one.

I have no clue what "the next" will be but I'd like to see something along the lines of "Global: TW". By that, I mean a TW that starts at around the beginning of recorded history and covers the globe as a start. For a unified start, some history would have to be infered or possibily even invented where there's no record available but it could be worked out in a playable game sort of way by guessing backwards from where the record starts.

Then the expansions could come in a series that build upon that base. Each major period of history could be its own expansion, up to and including the Napolionic wars and the USA civil war and expansion to the western coast.

After that, the concept of formation warfare starts to end and the unit organization of the current game engine might not work for the battles.

In a few years, the "baseline" computer system will be capable of handling the processor load necessary to make TW a global geography, rather than location specific. And at each major period of history, there's lots going on in places other than those popular to western culture and history.

[KARTLOS]

I'm betting there'll be an expansion to M2:TW first but I dont count that as "the next" TW, only a finish to this current one.

I have no clue what "the next" will be but I'd like to see something along the lines of "Global: TW". By that, I mean a TW that starts at around the beginning of recorded history and covers the globe as a start. For a unified start, some history would have to be infered or possibily even invented where there's no record available but it could be worked out in a playable game sort of way by guessing backwards from where the record starts.

Then the expansions could come in a series that build upon that base. Each major period of history could be its own expansion, up to and including the Napolionic wars and the USA civil war and expansion to the western coast.

After that, the concept of formation warfare starts to end and the unit organization of the current game engine might not work for the battles.

In a few years, the "baseline" computer system will be capable of handling the processor load necessary to make TW a global geography, rather than location specific. And at each major period of history, there's lots going on in places other than those popular to western culture and history.

the drawback of something like that is that with the benefit of hindsight we know that the europeans are far in advance of places like africa, and you would end up with a serioulsy ahistorical situation where the europeans conquer africa years in advance.

[Warluster]

I would think they will follow in the footsteps of the old one and reproduce Viking Invasion, it would be great but I would seriously prefer WW1TW even though World war 1 and world war 2 would take years to with all the modern weapons and stuff.

[Talbot]

I voted for a Napoleonic Total War game. Although an expansion for M2TW will definitely be next.

Was half thinking to vote for 'Word War', but I'm not quite sure what that would entail. Would it be Scrabble: Total War? Moving powerful letters into place and watching out for a flanking X.

[Warluster]

Ha!

[geala]

1.
I would like to have an expansion "European Invasion", a colonial setting in the 15th/16th, where you can play African, American and Asian factions; in the end the Europeans come. Later on you can also play european forces. I pray for a bit more diversion.

But more realistically we will get an expansion similar to VI, maybe the crusades? I didn't like VI and I would not like something like that because of the small timeframe and the not so very interesting troops connected with it.

2.
For the next big TW game I would prefer the time from 1590 till 1815. I wouldn't like the napoleonic time alone: far to less change, no development of troops, too few unit diversification. NP times should be the crowning goal of the campaign.

The game should start after the military revolution caused by the great Dutch-German war school in the end of the 16th century. Nothing was the same after it (exaggaration) and the 30-years-war was the first great scenario it was put into action. That was also the first time since Roman times that fighting in TW-style with independently moving single units would be realistic.

[PseRamesses]

1. Bronze age 1600-1100bc
2. Age of exploration, 1492-1814?, play on a worldmap, explore and colonize like in EUII.

[Spart]

I would like to see a WW 1/2 TW, but I would Also like to see the TW series venture out of Japan and Europe and make a Total War game featuring Africa as the place to conquer, One day hopefully maybe the world will be the target. Though I would like to state that African History up until late 1900s is boring, so maybe a South American Total war is in order or an Asian Total War, Though ultimately it is up to the G-ds of The Total War series.

[The Foolish Horseman]

i am too optimistic in thinking they would do a WW2 Total War, but a Napoleonic one would be good, Especially if they included the battle Of Waterloo.


Also I am being a bit immature in reckoning they could do a Sharpe: Total War, but that would be good fun But it would be too hard to make as the books are detailed, but not nescessarily Historically Accurate

[Marius Dynamite]

Finally, the Napoleonic era is just absolutely perfect for a Total War game:

Strategically - you have about seven or so major powers, with lots of scope for "flexible" dipomacy and conquest. Often "conquering the map" is crazily ahistorical in history, but with Napoleon's ambitions, it becomes a pretty good representation of his historical goals. And often in history, there are strong alliances that divide up the world, Cold War style, but with Napoleon, only the enmity between Britain and France seems to have been fixed. Russia, Austria, Spain and Prussia chopped and changed with the weather.

Tactically - with the three arms of cannon, cavalry and infantry you have lots of chances for real rock-paper-scissors interactions (or even better, combined arms tactics). Personally, I hope they keep it simple like STW and not create lots of artificial distinctions like "swords vs spears" - e.g. between heavy and light infantry etc. (a man with a musket is basically a man with a musket, whatever you put as his epaulette, and Napoleonic infantry differed more in quality than in functional role).

Napoleonic Era would be awesome but the game would have to be made much bigger campaign wise. The world should be chopped into sections and you can view each section on a different screen with each screen being like a M2 map. Europe, North America, South America, South Africa etc. Then, each of these maps would have to be bigger to allow more army-moving tactic. Maybe Attrition could make a real debut. If you don't stick to roads and camp in winter, you lose men. Armies taking supplies and supply lines could also be included with some clever thought.
Other things would be important as well. Things like More units under your control. More Soldiers on the field.. Larger battlefields. It should take a very long time to cross the field and you should be open to tactics like splitting you army into several groups to accomplish certain tasks.

I doubt all those things would be included if CA made a Napoleonic Total war but.. hey, I can dream right?

[Lorenzo_H]

Napoleonic Era would be awesome but the game would have to be made much bigger campaign wise. The world should be chopped into sections and you can view each section on a different screen with each screen being like a M2 map. Europe, North America, South America, South Africa etc. Then, each of these maps would have to be bigger to allow more army-moving tactic. Maybe Attrition could make a real debut. If you don't stick to roads and camp in winter, you lose men. Armies taking supplies and supply lines could also be included with some clever thought.
Other things would be important as well. Things like More units under your control. More Soldiers on the field.. Larger battlefields. It should take a very long time to cross the field and you should be open to tactics like splitting you army into several groups to accomplish certain tasks.

I doubt all those things would be included if CA made a Napoleonic Total war but.. hey, I can dream right?

Who knows? It's certainly a possibility the CA might add something like that. And if they did, then bravo. If they didn't, oh well, it'll still be good.

[Poulp']

I've voted "other"
my point is that any era will do PROVIDED we can face a challenging IA.

I mean a IA getting more and more cunning according to the difficulty you chose, not some unrealistic bonus to morale and dommage.

And why not an IA learning from its errors (that's a dream, I know), for instance, if they failed to invade you from the front, they'll try the backdoor...

[Cangrande]

For me it would have to be a game based in Europe covering the period 1660 - 1720, the bridge between M&P and 'modern' warfare and a series of wars happily linked together...great for a campaign?

[sapi]

Napoleonic Era would be awesome but the game would have to be made much bigger campaign wise. The world should be chopped into sections and you can view each section on a different screen with each screen being like a M2 map. Europe, North America, South America, South Africa etc. Then, each of these maps would have to be bigger to allow more army-moving tactic. Maybe Attrition could make a real debut. If you don't stick to roads and camp in winter, you lose men. Armies taking supplies and supply lines could also be included with some clever thought.
Other things would be important as well. Things like More units under your control. More Soldiers on the field.. Larger battlefields. It should take a very long time to cross the field and you should be open to tactics like splitting you army into several groups to accomplish certain tasks.

I doubt all those things would be included if CA made a Napoleonic Total war but.. hey, I can dream right?

If supply lines are in, i'm out. If you've ever played company of heroes you'd understand why - adding supply lines to a rts does nothing but slow gameplay and drastically reduce tactical options.

Since the next TW will be a completely new game, I think they ought to:

1) lower the detail and truly allow tens of thousands of troops onscreen at once, or keep current graphical levels and give us the possibility to be a soldier on the battlefield who isn't in charge of anything except his blade, his horse, and keeping with his unit.

2) abstract field commands to a division level with rules of engagement, and make runners going from the general's location to the division commanders when objective orders need to be altered.

Napoleonic era sounds great, especially with the M2TW graphics engine.

Personally my favourite setting is the Egypt-Assyria-Babylon-Hattusas-Media-Persia period. No better time for huge kingdoms trying to bash each other to pieces and succeeding after a couple hundred years of it.

Again, if the series goes quasi fps i'm out. I agree with you on the setting though.

I think the most likly thing to be released will be a M2TW expansion but i would love to see a shogun two.

Meh - wouldnt' be too bad but i'd prefer if it was kept out of asia so it was still relevant

I think that a current version on the World Wars (I and II) would be pretty cool. I think it would be fun to choose one of the lesser countries that are near Nazi Germany (who would obviously be a stronger then usual faction purposely) and try to fight them off. I don't know.. just a thought.

TW and gunpowder (that is, armies made up entirely of gunpowder) don't mix - not to mention that there was no place for group formations in ww2

What about Colonial Total war?The great European colonial powers France,Holland,England,Spain,Portugal,Belgium and many factions that became colonies such as areas of Africa asia, north america and south america

No

[Warluster]

Gunpowder is okay in TW, I love it in M2TW! Plus the idea of Colonial TW is good, I am making a mod like that right now actually, and people keep telling me i cant do it! I will! I WILL!!!!

[sapi]

Mod, fine, but not a game - it'd be so repetitive it's not funny :(

[Mother Yoda]

I seriously think that the most probable expansion pack would be Shogun Total War. Although I would not mind having something else such as (This will have a very slim chance of happening but) Mythology Total War. Yes it would be a combo of the Total war series and Age of Mythology.

[Tamur]

Since the next TW will be a completely new game, I think they ought to:

1) lower the detail and truly allow tens of thousands of troops onscreen at once, or keep current graphical levels and give us the possibility to be a soldier on the battlefield who isn't in charge of anything except his blade, his horse, and keeping with his unit.

2) abstract field commands to a division level with rules of engagement, and make runners going from the general's location to the division commanders when objective orders need to be altered.

Napoleonic era sounds great, especially with the M2TW graphics engine.

Personally my favourite setting is the Egypt-Assyria-Babylon-Hattusas-Media-Persia period. No better time for huge kingdoms trying to bash each other to pieces and succeeding after a couple hundred years of it.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

N:TW. To see the things the Lordz did in their modifications shocked me. It is truly amazing work. I was, and still am, hooked the outstanding modification they produced. I've downloaded every release of N:TW so far.

Now, ask yourself this: What if CA tried that? With their resources, time, and technology? Even if CA screwed up, we still have a vast and dedicated modding community waiting to fix and change things, as they have done for every Total War game so far.

If CA makes N:TW, and makes it moddable, the game is our oyster.

[Von Nanega]

I think with a Napolean Total War game, you would have to have turns representing three months. This would portray the movement on the map better than M2TW. Also the scope of history in this period would be shorter than the M2TW dark ages on story.

[Bijo]

No seriously, they should go back to their roots. I can already see it, I can smell it, I can hear it: Shogun 2 Total War! They would have to get rid of the current campaign map and take the old Shogun campaign style (with good valid improvements).... no more exaggerated 3D map. A REAL strategy map you would have on your virtual table in-game.

And I think regarding battle graphics the current stuff is good enough for a while. Heck, you know what would be great for graphics? If they'd manage to make a pretty good realistic 3D battle environment, with NEW sophisticated "versatile" sprites for units. By "versatile" I mean so many sprites they would actually look 3D enough to convince you it was 3D from every distance and angle you look at it.
This would save performance, and probably allow even greater troop numbers to be on-screen, though it would probably take a lot of more work to make. But heck, wouldn't it be worth a lot?

EDIT: though, if you zoom up close, it should naturally go to 3D, but in such a way it doesn't really look ugly.

TW and gunpowder (that is, armies made up entirely of gunpowder) don't mix - not to mention that there was no place for group formations in ww2

True, unless they make it work. But it would mean a drastic change in the series.

[Lorenzo_H]

I would almost be dissapointed if they did a Shogun 2 Total War. I personally think that after the inevitable M2TW Expansion pack, there will be a Napoleonic Total War, or something that moves on into the age of the Musket. I look forward to playing as the British and using the good old Redcoats to kick the French.

[The Stranger]

i would like a american civil war or a China:Total War but the Napoleontic era is cool 2

[Keith_the_Great]

something like VI maybe saxon invaders? starting from when the romans left the british isles until the norman conquest 400AD to 1066AD

[naut]

something like VI maybe saxon invaders? starting from when the romans left the british isles until the norman conquest 400AD to 1066AD

A common misconception formulated by the Historian, or liar rather, Bede. There was no "Saxon Invasion" as such. It was a continuum of inhabitance and existence, much like modern immigration. Also there was no British "Dark Ages", rather a flourishing of semi-Roman existence, which saw Britain trading with Byzantium (they sold tin, or Briton Gold as it was called, for the riches of the Mediterranean) and the only nation practising Latin in its purity.

Woops got carried away there, back to the topic.