Next Total War game?

[Lorenzo_H]

Napoleonic Era would be awesome but the game would have to be made much bigger campaign wise. The world should be chopped into sections and you can view each section on a different screen with each screen being like a M2 map. Europe, North America, South America, South Africa etc. Then, each of these maps would have to be bigger to allow more army-moving tactic. Maybe Attrition could make a real debut. If you don't stick to roads and camp in winter, you lose men. Armies taking supplies and supply lines could also be included with some clever thought.
Other things would be important as well. Things like More units under your control. More Soldiers on the field.. Larger battlefields. It should take a very long time to cross the field and you should be open to tactics like splitting you army into several groups to accomplish certain tasks.

I doubt all those things would be included if CA made a Napoleonic Total war but.. hey, I can dream right?

Who knows? It's certainly a possibility the CA might add something like that. And if they did, then bravo. If they didn't, oh well, it'll still be good.

[Tamur]

Since the next TW will be a completely new game, I think they ought to:

1) lower the detail and truly allow tens of thousands of troops onscreen at once, or keep current graphical levels and give us the possibility to be a soldier on the battlefield who isn't in charge of anything except his blade, his horse, and keeping with his unit.

2) abstract field commands to a division level with rules of engagement, and make runners going from the general's location to the division commanders when objective orders need to be altered.

Napoleonic era sounds great, especially with the M2TW graphics engine.

Personally my favourite setting is the Egypt-Assyria-Babylon-Hattusas-Media-Persia period. No better time for huge kingdoms trying to bash each other to pieces and succeeding after a couple hundred years of it.

[RtkBedivere]

I think the most likly thing to be released will be a M2TW expansion but i would love to see a shogun two.

[Marius Dynamite]

I think the most likly thing to be released will be a M2TW expansion but i would love to see a shogun two.

I started with RTW and only got Shogun when I got Eras. I couldn't play it because I am young and can't stand the bad graphics, especially since I started with RTW. What was so good about it? It seems a little blunt with so few kingdoms and a rather small area? How would it be employed to be a big game?

Just wondering.

[Zain]

I think that a current version on the World Wars (I and II) would be pretty cool. I think it would be fun to choose one of the lesser countries that are near Nazi Germany (who would obviously be a stronger then usual faction purposely) and try to fight them off. I don't know.. just a thought.

[RtkBedivere]

I started with RTW and only got Shogun when I got Eras. I couldn't play it because I am young and can't stand the bad graphics, especially since I started with RTW. What was so good about it? It seems a little blunt with so few kingdoms and a rather small area? How would it be employed to be a big game?

Just wondering.

Well i didnt by shogun until after i bought MTW. But i still loved it. Its pretty basic as their are fewer units and such and the graphic are quite awful but as you said its old. It was still a great game and require much in the area os stratagy. I think a new shogun on the new engine would be a great combination of new and old.

[GrimeReaper]

What about Colonial Total war?The great European colonial powers France,Holland,England,Spain,Portugal,Belgium and many factions that became colonies such as areas of Africa asia, north america and south america

[naut]

It isnt hard to guess- it is like one timeline
-RTW
-MTW
-NTW
-WW1TW
-WW2TW....

To bad the actual timeline of the games goes like this, (from best to not so good also as a coincidence).

Shogun
Medieval
Rome
Medieval 2

[JeffHCross]

I'm not sure what I think 'should' be the next Total War game, but I'm fairly convinced that the next game would be some type of Colonization/Revolution era game. It just makes the most sense to me.

RTW:BI ends in 463.
MTW: VI began in 792.
M2TW ends in 1530.

That tells me that either we, yet again, rehash a time period already visited (being between BI and VI ... or between BI and the beginning of M2TW) ... or we go to the future. If we go to the future, it seems logical that we'd be talking about the Colonization of the Americas (North & South) or the American/French Revolutions. That just seems like the most logical progression to me.

Note: I'm talking about a full TW game here, not just expansion. Looking at colonization seems even MORE logical for an expansion given that they extended M2 to 1530 and included the Americas. We'll see.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

N:TW. To see the things the Lordz did in their modifications shocked me. It is truly amazing work. I was, and still am, hooked the outstanding modification they produced. I've downloaded every release of N:TW so far.

Now, ask yourself this: What if CA tried that? With their resources, time, and technology? Even if CA screwed up, we still have a vast and dedicated modding community waiting to fix and change things, as they have done for every Total War game so far.

If CA makes N:TW, and makes it moddable, the game is our oyster.

[naut]

[...] but I'm fairly convinced that the next game would be some type of Colonization/Revolution era game [...]

[...] it seems logical that we'd be talking about the Colonization of the Americas (North & South) or the American/French Revolutions [...]

To rain on your parade, I can not think of anything worse. The French Revolution? How about simply Pike and Musket? And the American Revolution, boring, beyond boring, despicable. Two factions Britain and America, I'm sorry but that would be the worst game ever.

[...]That tells me that either we, yet again, rehash a time period already visited[...]

It's possible that they will remake Shogun, and will make a separate Expansion for M2TW.

However, what people forget is that there is much more to the world, its diversity and history, than just the USA and Europe.

[Bijo]

Hrm: creating an empire in western Europe, North Africa, and along the East is getting boring to me. Since I never played Shogun (but I will very soon) I voted Shogun 2, simply because the setting attracts me.

With RTW and Med(2) it's like you fight, manage, and expand in the same areas again, just a different time. I want an Asian-style TW to be the next installment. And I want the general user interface and controls to stay the same as they are now, but I'd sure like them to get a hold again of the magic of the old Shogun (the magic of which I've heard many people speak, and have had a little taste of with the old demo).

I want good gameplay: simplicity, accessibility, effectiveness, superior strategy, superior tactics, good A.I., low system requirements. Further: good superior engine with many options to control, superior presentation (music, settings, atmosphere, sound effects, etc.).\

Wouldn't mind a China-orientated TW game either. Sounds cool to me.

If they move further up into history time line, I'd go for WWI or WWII. Same basic areas again, but everybody is a skirmisher then. Still, they'd have bayonets and stuff.

[Warluster]

If you are wanting a game about the American Colonies and stuff, I am making a mod for M2TW about America from 1550 to 1800, so join up if you want! Just PM me!

[JeffHCross]

And the American Revolution, boring, beyond boring, despicable. Two factions Britain and America, I'm sorry but that would be the worst game ever.

That's why I included the Colonization of the Americas along with it, Rythmic. I agree, the Revolution itself would be incredibly, ridiculously, boring. I was mainly talking time period, not subject matter. Mods focus on specific events, the main game from CA usually doesn't. That's why we wouldn't see a Hundred Years War: Total War, but we might see a mod for it.

I don't know enough about Pike & Musket to say whether or not that's the equivalent to what I was thinking. But either way, it seems to me that the next game is likely to be 18th century or so ... which would give us the Colonization of the Americas and the American/French revolutions (and Napoleon).

[Cangrande]

For me it would have to be a game based in Europe covering the period 1660 - 1720, the bridge between M&P and 'modern' warfare and a series of wars happily linked together...great for a campaign?

[sapi]

Napoleonic Era would be awesome but the game would have to be made much bigger campaign wise. The world should be chopped into sections and you can view each section on a different screen with each screen being like a M2 map. Europe, North America, South America, South Africa etc. Then, each of these maps would have to be bigger to allow more army-moving tactic. Maybe Attrition could make a real debut. If you don't stick to roads and camp in winter, you lose men. Armies taking supplies and supply lines could also be included with some clever thought.
Other things would be important as well. Things like More units under your control. More Soldiers on the field.. Larger battlefields. It should take a very long time to cross the field and you should be open to tactics like splitting you army into several groups to accomplish certain tasks.

I doubt all those things would be included if CA made a Napoleonic Total war but.. hey, I can dream right?

If supply lines are in, i'm out. If you've ever played company of heroes you'd understand why - adding supply lines to a rts does nothing but slow gameplay and drastically reduce tactical options.

Since the next TW will be a completely new game, I think they ought to:

1) lower the detail and truly allow tens of thousands of troops onscreen at once, or keep current graphical levels and give us the possibility to be a soldier on the battlefield who isn't in charge of anything except his blade, his horse, and keeping with his unit.

2) abstract field commands to a division level with rules of engagement, and make runners going from the general's location to the division commanders when objective orders need to be altered.

Napoleonic era sounds great, especially with the M2TW graphics engine.

Personally my favourite setting is the Egypt-Assyria-Babylon-Hattusas-Media-Persia period. No better time for huge kingdoms trying to bash each other to pieces and succeeding after a couple hundred years of it.

Again, if the series goes quasi fps i'm out. I agree with you on the setting though.

I think the most likly thing to be released will be a M2TW expansion but i would love to see a shogun two.

Meh - wouldnt' be too bad but i'd prefer if it was kept out of asia so it was still relevant

I think that a current version on the World Wars (I and II) would be pretty cool. I think it would be fun to choose one of the lesser countries that are near Nazi Germany (who would obviously be a stronger then usual faction purposely) and try to fight them off. I don't know.. just a thought.

TW and gunpowder (that is, armies made up entirely of gunpowder) don't mix - not to mention that there was no place for group formations in ww2

What about Colonial Total war?The great European colonial powers France,Holland,England,Spain,Portugal,Belgium and many factions that became colonies such as areas of Africa asia, north america and south america

No

[Warluster]

Gunpowder is okay in TW, I love it in M2TW! Plus the idea of Colonial TW is good, I am making a mod like that right now actually, and people keep telling me i cant do it! I will! I WILL!!!!

[sapi]

Mod, fine, but not a game - it'd be so repetitive it's not funny :(

[Von Nanega]

I think with a Napolean Total War game, you would have to have turns representing three months. This would portray the movement on the map better than M2TW. Also the scope of history in this period would be shorter than the M2TW dark ages on story.

[Bijo]

No seriously, they should go back to their roots. I can already see it, I can smell it, I can hear it: Shogun 2 Total War! They would have to get rid of the current campaign map and take the old Shogun campaign style (with good valid improvements).... no more exaggerated 3D map. A REAL strategy map you would have on your virtual table in-game.

And I think regarding battle graphics the current stuff is good enough for a while. Heck, you know what would be great for graphics? If they'd manage to make a pretty good realistic 3D battle environment, with NEW sophisticated "versatile" sprites for units. By "versatile" I mean so many sprites they would actually look 3D enough to convince you it was 3D from every distance and angle you look at it.
This would save performance, and probably allow even greater troop numbers to be on-screen, though it would probably take a lot of more work to make. But heck, wouldn't it be worth a lot?

EDIT: though, if you zoom up close, it should naturally go to 3D, but in such a way it doesn't really look ugly.

TW and gunpowder (that is, armies made up entirely of gunpowder) don't mix - not to mention that there was no place for group formations in ww2

True, unless they make it work. But it would mean a drastic change in the series.

[Lorenzo_H]

I would almost be dissapointed if they did a Shogun 2 Total War. I personally think that after the inevitable M2TW Expansion pack, there will be a Napoleonic Total War, or something that moves on into the age of the Musket. I look forward to playing as the British and using the good old Redcoats to kick the French.

[Poulp']

I've voted "other"
my point is that any era will do PROVIDED we can face a challenging IA.

I mean a IA getting more and more cunning according to the difficulty you chose, not some unrealistic bonus to morale and dommage.

And why not an IA learning from its errors (that's a dream, I know), for instance, if they failed to invade you from the front, they'll try the backdoor...

[The Stranger]

i would like a american civil war or a China:Total War but the Napoleontic era is cool 2

[Keith_the_Great]

something like VI maybe saxon invaders? starting from when the romans left the british isles until the norman conquest 400AD to 1066AD

[naut]

something like VI maybe saxon invaders? starting from when the romans left the british isles until the norman conquest 400AD to 1066AD

A common misconception formulated by the Historian, or liar rather, Bede. There was no "Saxon Invasion" as such. It was a continuum of inhabitance and existence, much like modern immigration. Also there was no British "Dark Ages", rather a flourishing of semi-Roman existence, which saw Britain trading with Byzantium (they sold tin, or Briton Gold as it was called, for the riches of the Mediterranean) and the only nation practising Latin in its purity.

Woops got carried away there, back to the topic.

[Cangrande]

Hmmm....so what about the Comes litoris Saxonici? What about the years of fighting and destruction?

Ok, the idea of a series of mass invasions might have become outdated but the Saxon takeover was far from peaceful.

[naut]

There was never any major "invasions" as such, it was rather gradual as modern archaeology is now proving. And the notion of a Saxon "takeover" is also being challenged by modern archaeology.

I'll continue this in another thread if you wish, so as not to hijack this one.

[Zoring]

Definitly a Napoleonic period mod for me, maybe starting in the 15/1600's and working up to say 1900 right at the end of formations and lines in battle. Your ultimate troops being Mauser armed skirmishers!

[Keith_the_Great]

yeah thats right

A common misconception formulated by the Historian, or liar rather, Bede. There was no "Saxon Invasion" as such. It was a continuum of inhabitance and existence, much like modern immigration. Also there was no British "Dark Ages", rather a flourishing of semi-Roman existence, which saw Britain trading with Byzantium (they sold tin, or Briton Gold as it was called, for the riches of the Mediterranean) and the only nation practising Latin in its purity.

kinda knew that myself But Thank for informtion

we are talking about a computer game here

[Bava]

My vote goes to Shogun II, i really like the setting.

But my dream game would be TW: Caribbean Supremacy (1550 - 1750).
Large scale seabattles (yes, seabattles!)!!! Conquering Cartagena as Henry Morgan!!!
Could live with a napoleonic tw, too.