Interesting Diplomacy

[chunkynut]

I started a Spanish campaign last night and decided to send my 2 princesses that you start with to the Portuguese and the French as part of my plan to take on the Moors (who I gave trade rights for 1000fl). I also am being strict about not starting wars with my catholic brothers (if they attack me there will be no mercy though ).

So the Portuguese wanted an alliance and the french wanted a marriage alliance. They both initiated an alliance with the Moors, but Portugal broke it by besieging Corboda and being a dutiful ally I attacked the Moors fleet blockading Lisbon. At the point before the Portuguese attack on the Moors my relations with Portugal were Very Good and France were Outstanding. France then ended our alliance and then the next turn blockaded Valencia in an act of war.

I had a stack of half mercs and half my cavalry and was ready to send it off on a crusade to keep the Pope happy along the northern med by land and wandered into Zagorva (sp?) in north eastern Spain that the French had taken. The moors asked for peace at 1020fl tribute for 2 turns and I accepted to help out my bank balance, and went to French and offered peace and they were begging for it with an army on their land and I got 1000fl for 10 turns from them with trade rights! I then made that army into a crusading army and left by sea for the holy land (thought the land route may have its issues around northern italy).

As an aside my other princess made a beeline for northern italy (she had 3 charm) and got marriage to a Venitian general from Venice and he hired some mercs and besieged Venice. I took Venice after they sallied with a superior army. But thats not dimplomacy

I was surprised the French sided with the Moors, and that the Moors sued for peace ... but apart from that I am happy with the outcome

Anyone else had experiences like this?

edit: Venice was excommunicated so not a catholic brother (to clear that up)

[Doug-Thompson]

Sadly, no.

[Quillan]

In my Spanish campaign that I started this past Friday, I made marriage alliances with both the French and English. The French backstabbed me early on; I think it's hardcoded that they just dislike the Spanish. The English one held for 70 years or so, but I wasn't keeping up diplomatic relations with them either. The Portuguese wanted a normal alliance with me, which I signed, then later they asked for assistance against the Moors, which I agreed to since I wanted the heathens off the Iberian peninsula anyway. Of course, as soon as I pushed the Moors out of Cordoba the Portuguese attacked me. I've never been able to make peace with the Moors, so that war's been going on for close to 100 years now. The French have made peace and attacked again, at least 4 times in that span of years. They've been excommunicated and reconciled 3 times this campaign.

[Kraxis]

What?


You can have allies and ceasefires? Never heard of such nonsense.

[Lochar]

I have never been offered a marriage alliance, altho I am still on my first LONG campaign as English.

I really felt bad for Scotland tho, they never moved fast enough and I slurped up all the rebel provinces on them. The never built up an army except at the beginning which they got repulsed by rebels.

Finally I gave them money, made them an ally and gave them military rights, I figured let them have some room to move and maybe they would go attack an enemy. Heh with 1 general unit and swordsmen they attacked Inverness I think its called. Well Nottingham housed my better troops and still had a general around, I just went and sieged their last province.


Its seems getting factions to become Vassals is harder than it was in RTW.

[PseRamesses]

I really felt bad for Scotland tho, they never moved fast enough and I slurped up all the rebel provinces on them.

In my most recent game the Scots had taken York, Caernarvon, Dublin and Inverness and were allied with the English who only had their starting provinces. They never broke that alliance throughout the game.

Its seems getting factions to become Vassals is harder than it was in RTW.

I think roughly the same criterias as in RTW are required. As the Byz I´ve got Venice as vassals in almost every game after taking Iraklion, Ragusa and Zagreb from them. As the French I got Milan once and as the English the Scots so it´s not impossible. Good luck!