How to see whether a particular faction is excommunicated?

**Slaists** · 11-30-2006, 21:58

In MTW 1, one could see that a particular faction is excommunicated by the look of crosses on the profiles of the generals of that faction, broken crosses indicating the faction has been excommunicated.

I have not found a reliable way to do that in MTW 2 yet other than trying to remember/write down whenever the Pope excommunicates someone or reconciles with them, which can become painful if a few days pass since the last game.

The Pope-o meter has proven not to be a reliable tool since some factions are not actually excommunicated while the meter is at zero. The opposite holds true too - some factions have one or two bars of positivie Pope's attitude while still excommunicated.

Anybody has noticed some other way to tell?

**Whacker** · 11-30-2006, 22:03

I haven't found any way either in M2TW. Whether or not there is some way, I loved your idea of it being evident on the Pope-o-matic-meter-chart screen. I most humbly suggest that you, as the owner of the original idea, shove this in the patch wishlist thread.

**Doug-Thompson** · 11-30-2006, 22:05

I believe that information is available on the diplomatic screen. Hold the cursor over the faction's emblem and see if it tells you.

**Mauler** · 11-30-2006, 22:06

Actually, I think it does tell you on the Pope-o-Meter screen. If you hover your cursor over the number of crosses a faction has, I believe it will say something about the Pope having "denounced" the faction if they have been excommunicated.

**Basileus** · 11-30-2006, 22:08

I thought if a faction did not have any crosses in the pope screen it was excommunicated, i will have to check it out in game.

**Quillan** · 11-30-2006, 22:10

The pope-o-meter of excommunicated factions drops to zero when they are excommunicated, but it can climb back up before they are reconciled. I've seen France get back up to 4 on the scale and only get a reconciliation with a change of Pope. The tooltip on that screen is the only way you can tell, which means for a muslim or orthodox faction you can't tell, because you don't get the notifications either.

**Havard** · 11-30-2006, 22:15

Originally Posted by Quillan

The pope-o-meter of excommunicated factions drops to zero when they are excommunicated, but it can climb back up before they are reconciled. I've seen France get back up to 4 on the scale and only get a reconciliation with a change of Pope. The tooltip on that screen is the only way you can tell, which means for a muslim or orthodox faction you can't tell, because you don't get the notifications either.

Muslims and Orthodox don't get excommunicated. They are alreay schismatics/heathens...

**Slaists** · 11-30-2006, 22:20

Well, for muslims and orthodox it does not matter that much. All catholics are kind of your enemies anyway. The only game-play advantage of knowing whether someone is excommunicated would be if it did not upset the Pope if you attacked a region of an excommunicated catholic faction. In case you wanted to keep peace with him.

Originally Posted by Quillan

The pope-o-meter of excommunicated factions drops to zero when they are excommunicated, but it can climb back up before they are reconciled. I've seen France get back up to 4 on the scale and only get a reconciliation with a change of Pope. The tooltip on that screen is the only way you can tell, which means for a muslim or orthodox faction you can't tell, because you don't get the notifications either.

I will double check about the Pope-o-meter tooltips and the diplomacy shields. My memory tells me, I could not get them to display anything about excommunication.