Weird political stuff posted in the wrong forum

**fallen851** · 11-30-2006, 23:01

Originally Posted by Kull

You'll find out soon enough.

This issue is deeper than you think. You see, once EB 0.8 comes out, I will download it, but how am I supposed to check to make sure all the unit cards are there? I suppose I could go through the files, but this would be a meaningless waste of time, when someone could just say "these units are not completed yet". So that would be the nice thing to do, because it would be you helping me, saving me a lot of time, by sacrificing only a little bit of your own time. So it would be nice, once it is released for someone to give me a list of the units that don't have unit cards done. Somehow I don't think that will happen. Perhaps am I wrong, and I hope I am.

Of course, you might think that sacrificing that bit of time is meaningless to you because you don't know me, which is of course is a discourse suggesting you can decide who deserves respect (ie who you would spend a bit of time telling information to save them time) and who doesn't deserve respect. In this case you are deciding I don't deserve respect

This is called elitism. It has been done for centuries, and in hindsight, it is always wrong. It is wrong to enslave people, it is wrong to oppress women, it is wrong to not help the poor, is it wrong to make people "serfs", it is wrong to discriminate based on race, on age, whatever.

And we are still fighting it today. People come around like Thomas Jefferson, Adolf Hitler, and many others, and say "I know who deserves respect, and who doesn't". For 6,000 years elitism has never been right.

The opposite of elitism, and the only other discourse is liberalism (the label liberalism and elitism don't mean anything, I just use them because I think they fit best, you can use whatever label). Liberals believe in two principles, #1 that we should expand the rights of those recognized as people, and #2 that we should expand who is a recognized person.

Liberalism simply says one thing, respect and love everyone equally. If you believe that you should respect and love everyone equally, that no one, no matter they believe, deserves to be disrespected, and treated poorly, than you are a liberal, and you are a Christian by definition. I shouldn't get too deep into the Christian piece, because so many pervert what Jesus did, but it makes it eaiser to illustrate how you are not supposed to judge. Christians (those who are a Christian based on deeds, not labels) don't judge, just like liberals don't judge. Christians confess their sins, and try to do the right thing. Liberals admit when they make a mistake, apologize, and try to do the right thing Liberals and Christians are one in the same.

So, we can conclude only one thing, I have to question whether you and the EB team as a whole are Christians/Liberals, since they are one in the same. Because what you say, what the EB team as a whole, what happens in many threads and discussions between non-members and member is elitism. Look at this thread, as one example, but there is many more on the the forum right now.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=71260

You see, we have these statements against me, of which elitists will claim are jokes. But you don't take serious arguements as jokes, unless you don't respect them. Obviously my arguement wasn't respected, which is fine if you don't believe everyone deserves respect in every scenario, and if you believe you can pick and choose who deserves respect, which is the definition of an elitist.

So let us find out if this arguement gets respect. Will it be deleted because think they can judge? Will TA make jokes about it? Will people start hating each other? I feel it now "oh some stupid religious guy is trying to tell us how to act..."

I'm not allowed to judge you, or be the judge, because liberals and Christians respect everyone. But at the same time, I have an obligation, as a Christian and a liberal, to question you actions, so, are you a liberal, or are you an elitist? Now this does not mean I think I'm perfect, and only I can judge, I'm simply stating no one can judge, lets all be nice all the time to everyone. Now God knows I don't do this, but I try, and I admit when I haven't done this, which is all Jesus asks.

So do you think you can judge, are you God? Because what I'm going to find out soon enough, is if I deserve respect, which is a reflection of whether or not you are an elitist. So, will I get the list, or will I be denied because of who I am?

**Kugutsu** · 11-30-2006, 23:14

Blimey, thats quite an extended response to a simple 'wait and see'. Arent you reading a bit much into it? Perhaps they want the unit roster to be a surprise. Definitively saying which units are complete and which arent will neccessarily give away exactly what units are in the next build. If they continue to reject your request for info after they release (and the surprise is no longer a surprise), then perhaps your comments would be justified. But at the moment I think its quite fair for them to keep a few secrets. It adds to the 'wow' factor when we play for the first time and see all the unknown goodies we can explore... Have a little patience...

**Orb** · 11-30-2006, 23:19

Fallen, you're taking this way too personally.

You are continually antagonising the hard-working team, how do you expect them to respond?

**Barbarossa82** · 11-30-2006, 23:21

I am straining very hard not to reply in immoderate terms to that post. I think four points cover it.

1) You have next to no idea what the term "liberalism" means.
2) You have literally no idea what the term "Christian" means.
3) As a result of (1) and (2) you erroneously link the two
4) How can anyone be so ridiculously, so mind-bogglingly comically, melodramatic as to liken a failure to provide a list of units without unit cards to slavery and racial discrimination? And the EB team to Adolf Hitler? I mean WHAT??

**Geoffrey S** · 11-30-2006, 23:22

Edit: forget it. I love you, fallen851.

Great news, and I'm looking forward to finding time to play an even better version of my favourite mod!

**Tuuvi** · 11-30-2006, 23:25

wwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhaksdl;jgtorigjsf;ksdcvmaskdcvnsdakvj
I'm too excited for words...

**Conqueror** · 11-30-2006, 23:25

Wha...!?

The people who work their butts off to create the (iMO) best mod of RTW won't tell you in advance whether all units cards will be done in the release that is appearantly just around the corner - and you take that as a reason to launch into a rant about elitism and christianity and liberalism. I have to say, if there is some kind of logic behind your post, it's totally lost on me. I just don't get it. At all.

**-Praetor-** · 11-30-2006, 23:30

Originally Posted by Fallen851

This issue is deeper than you think. You see, once EB 0.8 comes out, I will download it, but how am I supposed to check to make sure all the unit cards are there? I suppose I could go through the files, but this would be a meaningless waste of time, when someone could just say "these units are not completed yet". So that would be the nice thing to do, because it would be you helping me, saving me a lot of time, by sacrificing only a little bit of your own time. So it would be nice, once it is released for someone to give me a list of the units that don't have unit cards done. Somehow I don't think that will happen. Perhaps am I wrong, and I hope I am.

Fallen:

You could just go to the custom battle army selection screen, and check there which one of all the units haven`t got unit cards. It`s quite easy and doesn`t consume very much time...

K.

**Thaatu** · 11-30-2006, 23:33

Fallen...

Wow, I can't really say much to that...

I would understand a little better if EB wasn't, you know, FREE...

**Foot** · 11-30-2006, 23:36

Originally Posted by fallen851

So, will I get the list, or will I be denied because of who I am?

Don't you see, this isn't in our original business model for 0.8. Are you asking us to sacrifice our original business model just for your own pleasure?

"A successful buisness model, meets the goals it sets out to achieve, it doesn't continually change goals"

And we do want to be a successful business model, and the above list is not part of that business model for the moment. Tell you what, because the EB team has such great respect for you we'll make sure we have the list ready for you for 1.0. The same release in fact, which will include all UI cards. How does that sound?

Thanks,

Foot

**Lord Condormanius** · 11-30-2006, 23:47

wow!

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 11-30-2006, 23:52

That is the most bizarre thing I've read on this forum. And that includes the Bartix stuff. Wow. Just....wow.

**Laundreu** · 11-30-2006, 23:54

Originally Posted by fallen851

lots of words

Humanity is a lot more than six thousand years old. More like 200,000, in point of fact. Funnily enough, 'elites' and 'elitists' only started developing around 6,000 years ago. Before that it was all egalitarian hunting and gathering.

**Kugutsu** · 11-30-2006, 23:59

That has to be simultaneously the strangest and most effective piece of trolling I have seen in a while. With one long torrent of gibberish he has left a wake of bemusement and a frenzy of posting.

Thanks Fallen, for helping pass the time while waiting for the release!

**Count Flip** · 12-01-2006, 00:02

wow i fallen is really taking it seriously.. hmm i wonder wat hes like in real life..

"Hey wats up"

Fallen:"(big speech with nothing to do about how your doing)"

but im glad that EB is gonna be released soon... WOO cant wait..

**Laundreu** · 12-01-2006, 00:06

Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou

Laundreu, please change your quote or we will delete it. Changing other people's quotes isn't permitted here.

Better? I don't want to quote the whole thing; it's more than a screen's length so that'd be pretty rude.

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 12-01-2006, 00:08

That's understandable. Thanks.

**Tyfus** · 12-01-2006, 00:10

Fallen just likes getting attention, so he posts these angry finger-pointing, muck-raking, paragraghs of verbal diarrhea. If he ever does it again I say we all ignore it because I'm pretty sick of his crap. Fallen you either need pull a very big stick out of your @$$ or if you're just doing this for fun, you need to stop being a $h!%#&@!. Straight up! And BTW personally this is the last time I respond to Fallen until he acts like a respectable human being.

p.s. It's liberals like you that give liberals like me a bad name. Its just an effing list! Right end of story.

**Krusader** · 12-01-2006, 00:11

Originally Posted by rcross

Fallen just likes getting attention, so he posts these angry finger-pointing, muck-raking, paragraghs of verbal diarrhea. If he ever does it again I say we all ignore it because I'm pretty sick of his crap. Fallen you either need pull a very big stick out of your @$$ or if you're just doing this for fun, you need to stop being a $h!%#&@!. Straight up! And BTW personally this is the last time I respond to Fallen until he acts like a respectable human being.

Gratz. You just took the bait.

**Lusted** · 12-01-2006, 00:12

Liberalism simply says one thing, respect and love everyone equally. If you believe that you should respect and love everyone equally, that no one, no matter they believe, deserves to be disrespected, and treated poorly, than you are a liberal, and you are a Christian by definition. I shouldn't get too deep into the Christian piece, because so many pervert what Jesus did, but it makes it eaiser to illustrate how you are not supposed to judge. Christians (those who are a Christian based on deeds, not labels) don't judge, just like liberals don't judge. Christians confess their sins, and try to do the right thing. Liberals admit when they make a mistake, apologize, and try to do the right thing Liberals and Christians are one in the same.

Slight difference being not all liberals are christians, and not all christians are liberal. Some of us liberals are atheists you know, just because we have a certain ideal that is sort of shared with christianity doesn't mean we are the same. and not all liberals believe in what you posted either.

**NeoSpartan** · 12-01-2006, 00:13

Fallen851..... Seriuosly..... wtf man?

Come on dude, this ain't no political/economic theory forum. U got the wrong the forum to discuss about Liberal Elitism, Liberitarianism, Federalism, Socialism, Capitalism, etc..... You should go to some kind Political Science forum at ur local college or university and start ur discussions there.

Remember, this is a MOD (an awosme one) about a GAME. Ok? U ain't PAYING for it, and he EB team ain't making a PROFIT from it.

So I suggest u play as Kionnon Hellenon (sp) and start discussing philosophy with ur Faction Leader's Ancillaries.

**Tyfus** · 12-01-2006, 00:20

Originally Posted by Krusader

Gratz. You just took the bait.

It may seem that way, but I'm just saying I'm not going to play his game any more are you?

**Corinthian Hoplite** · 12-01-2006, 00:39

Why do you still waste your time replying to his posts?

**Birka Viking** · 12-01-2006, 00:41

Fallen851 You must be drunk as hell or totalty insane.....

**Tyfus** · 12-01-2006, 01:03

Originally Posted by Corinthian Hoplite

Why do you still waste your time replying to his posts?

I was replying to Krusader in my last post actually. And from now on I'm not replying to Fallen as I already said

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**Corinthian Hoplite** · 12-01-2006, 01:05

Originally Posted by rcross

I was replying to Krusader in my last post actually. And from now on I'm not replying to Fallen as I already said

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I wasn't referring to any post in particular, but all replies in general.

**Tyfus** · 12-01-2006, 01:06

Originally Posted by Corinthian Hoplite

I wasn't referring to any post in particular, but all replies in general.

True Beans.

Anyway Let's all forget Fallen and his problems and lets get back to talking about how awesome EB is and how much we can't wait. Personally I'm going to start one barbarian campaign and one greek campaign first. Probably Casse, for the new chariots and Baktria, for all the new units.