Templars Guild

[giskard]

Hi all.

Id like to run some stuff past you, im looking for people who can shoot this theory down.

I got the Templars Guild lvl1 and lvl2 as Scotland by simply conquering england and being really friendly to the pope. In previous games I got the St johns Guild.

So my theory is this and id like to hear from anybody who knows I am wrong here.

If your a good catholic (perfect relations with the pope) and produce normal knights from a town, then sooner or later that town will be offered a Templars Guild. Under those conditions the Templars will be offered early and usually first to that town. Eg before other guilds.

I believe the good catholic part is a requirement.

giskard

[Kraxis]

Nice...

Why don't you head over to the Guilds thread and post this. After all that is the thread that is designated to them.

[FrauGloer]

I don't think I can agree with this "good relations to the pope" theory. In my game as Scotland, I've been the pope's posterboy from the start (with a minor fallout when I attacked England), I have participated in and completed all crusades and have a majority in the college of cardinals, but as of turn 130, I'm yet to be offered a Templar's Guild House. I have a "Master Chapter House of the Knights of St. John" (phew, what a name... ) as well as another minor one, but no templars. Same goes for my English campaign - perfect relations with the pope, loads of priests/cardinals, lots of offers for Knights Hospitaler, but no Templars...

[Lord Condormanius]

I'm yet to be offered a Templar's Guild House. I have a "Master Chapter House of the Knights of St. John" (phew, what a name... ) as well as another minor one, but no templars. Same goes for my English campaign - perfect relations with the pope, loads of priests/cardinals, lots of offers for Knights Hospitaler, but no Templars...

Same here. Plenty of Hospitallers, no Templars.

[Grimmy]

I was playing as England and had brushed up against the "back off or get discommunicated" a few times with Scotland. I had, at best, iffy faction with the Pope and then just a few turns after I finished off the Scotts by taking Inverness, I got the Templar guild. I'd converted Inverness to a town and got the guild offered 2 turns later.

I had built a total of 2 cav units. One mail knight and one hobliar at about turn 2 to help with the initial land grabs and those were built at Nottingham.

I've played the England campaign alot and that's the first time I've gotten a Knight Guild of any sort offered. I have zero clue how or why I got them this time.

[Frantz]

maybe you can have Hospitalliers OR Templars and not both ?

[Sir Moody]

if so in 4 english campaigns (hey im a patriot ) ive been offered Hospitilers everytime - theres something we ar emissing in the conditions for templars

[Derfel von Saljeth]

maybe you can have Hospitalliers OR Templars and not both ?

I think it works this way...
In my experience (2 campaign , about 600 turns total) i've been offered only a Order. With Sicilians i was offered S. John Knights at Tunisis, with Scottish i received Templars in York
In both campaign this happened in early turns, without crusades started.

[Shahed]

Hi all.

Id like to run some stuff past you, im looking for people who can shoot this theory down.

I got the Templars Guild lvl1 and lvl2 as Scotland by simply conquering england and being really friendly to the pope. In previous games I got the St johns Guild.

So my theory is this and id like to hear from anybody who knows I am wrong here.

If your a good catholic (perfect relations with the pope) and produce normal knights from a town, then sooner or later that town will be offered a Templars Guild. Under those conditions the Templars will be offered early and usually first to that town. Eg before other guilds.

I believe the good catholic part is a requirement.

giskard

Hey Giskard ! What's the url of your site again please ?

I'm trying to figure out the explorer's guild bonus in particular.. have you any info ?

Also if you're up for testing some Swizz pikes (think MTW ), or any other unit matchups, gimme a shout.

[Molinaargh]

I got a Templar's Guild in Krakow (a city) without ever producing cavalry there. My standing with the Pope wasn't really high and I had never joined a crusade (none had started).

Well, I guess the Guild triggers are mysterious.

[Reapz]

I think I can debunk a few theories here. I don't think obtaining the Templar's Guild has anything to do with being a good catholic or going on crusade.

I am playing a second campaign vh/vh as Scotland. The first one I was a good and pious citizen. This time I decided to be as aggressive as possible, basically forget politics and religion, and take every opportunity to seize territory and crush weakened opponents. I have destroyed England and Denmark. I am currently at war with 8 other factions, have no allies, have a papal standing of zero, where it has been most of the game. I have been excommunicated more times than I can count. I have inquisitors, heretics and witches crawling all over my territories. I have never participated in a crusade, in fact have used those opportunities to pillage pious nations that are silly enough to send their armies away to the please the Pope. I was offered a Templar's Guild in York after about 65 turns!

[resonantblue]

The explorer guild gives a % chance to give a general in the city the "Intrepid Explorer" ancillary, which boots movement by 15% and increases sight range, IIRC. Needless to say, this is very, very useful for a general to have.

The alchemist guild gives an ancillary. As do a couple of the other guilds (I forget which). The explorer ancillary is easily the most useful.

[Derfel von Saljeth]

I'm thinking knightly order just pop up when you conquer a said province.
All who played scottland receiver their first templar guild soon after conquering York or Inverness (also without partecipating a crusade), and i'm doing my second sicilian campaign and again i've been offered a hospitaler guild in Tunisis...

[Mega Dux Bob]

I just ended up with three Templar Chapter houses early in the game! I think you have to be in on the first Crusade called as one of the first responders. Interestingly I got the guild in Paris. Now Templar Knights, that one ups Militia Horse.

[Fisherking]

The only times I have gotten the Templars is when I was playing as Scotland. I thought maybe I would pick them up playing as the Portuguese but I quit the campaign to load up the patch…should have played on, ya know.

I was surprised not to get an offer as the French or even as England