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Yes, it would be nice to have some kind of ongoing battle report, but I just don't have the time. There is a thread I've been compiling on people's orders and my umpire notes which I can make public. Unless any general objects, I'll post it here after the day 2 turn 1 orders are in (ie hopefully tonight). It will only cover the battle up to nightfall so hopefully old orders are obsolete.
I think we should release something of a teaser, a few smattered details, maybe with some intentional flaws thrown in but a general idea of the current situation, done from the perception of locals watching the battle maybe. But I think we should hold a report on the actual tactical records of the battle off until its conclusion. Just seems more intrigueing that way.
OK, I'll hold on posting the warts and all thread. The participants are welcome to release something partial. I am busy working my way through a backlog of Citadel threads, so I don't think I'll be able to manage it.
EDIT: Waiting for orders from Swordsmaster (and Tamur, if GHs orders don't cover his units).
EDIT: Waiting for orders from Swordsmaster (and Tamur, if GHs orders don't cover his units).
Thanks TinCow!
EDIT: Just sent you the orders, Simon.
EDIT: Just sent you the orders, Simon.
Orders sent.
All generals should now have feedback on turn 8. Turn 9 (mid-morning) orders are now invited.
NB: there are three massive heavy infantry combats going on, and these will be resolved in turn 9. You can tweak the outcome of these at the margins, by committing any free troops. However, trying to rearrange units locked in battle would be very risky - probably disasterous if you did not have reinforcements to take their place. Skirmishers etc can all be assumed to be out of ammo by now, unless you explicitly kept them out of the fight.
NB: there are three massive heavy infantry combats going on, and these will be resolved in turn 9. You can tweak the outcome of these at the margins, by committing any free troops. However, trying to rearrange units locked in battle would be very risky - probably disasterous if you did not have reinforcements to take their place. Skirmishers etc can all be assumed to be out of ammo by now, unless you explicitly kept them out of the fight.
Well, not giving too much away for those who weren't involved in the battle...
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Ohh, wait until you guys get the public announcement from Econ regarding this turn. It's a doozy.
Not sure I like the sound of that. 
econ, can you clear your inbox?
-edit: double post. Please delete.-
Is it still joinable?
Actually we're wrapping this pbem up with the end of this battle. But will soon after be starting one with M2 as soon as we clear up all the details on what we want to keep the same, change, and new details we want to add to keep the game as interesting as possible at all times.
Sorry about that - inbox cleared. Waiting to hear from GH and Lucjan. 
EDIT: E-mail checked and orders received, GH.
EDIT: E-mail checked and orders received, GH.
Check your email.
C'm-on! Consul!!
OK, the battle for Rome is over - it was a close run thing[1], but in the end numbers decided the matter in the Senate's favour. I've posted a thread detailing the orders and umpire feedback. I think this effectively ends the Civil War: there are still eight strong Senate armies in the field (Luca, Decius, Tiberius, Cnaeus, Lucius, Secundus and Numerius x2) and only two far away Consular ones (Quintus Libo & Flavius Paucuvius) with no hope of reinforcements.
I think now is the time to wind down this PBM. To end things properly, a propose we have a final election to put in place a new First Consul as a successor to Servius. I would also like to give them the option of playing on solo if they wish - they could even pass on the savegame after 5 years to a successor, as in a traditional oldstyle PBM. If people like Generalhankerchief, Braden or Mount Suribachi want to continue this campaign up on a such lowkey basis, I am happy for them to do so. I might even be tempted myself. People can also round off any Civil War stories - I'd like to see some closure to Manius's story at least. But I think after the election, we should close the Senate deliberations thread and stop passing on the savegames for generals to fight their own battles so that we free up the Throne Room to devote its energies to other future PBMs - notably M2TW but also, perhaps after a patch, EB 0.8.
[1]BTW, in case anyone wondered, I was basing the dual battle aspect of the Battle for Rome on Waterloo-Wavre.
I think now is the time to wind down this PBM. To end things properly, a propose we have a final election to put in place a new First Consul as a successor to Servius. I would also like to give them the option of playing on solo if they wish - they could even pass on the savegame after 5 years to a successor, as in a traditional oldstyle PBM. If people like Generalhankerchief, Braden or Mount Suribachi want to continue this campaign up on a such lowkey basis, I am happy for them to do so. I might even be tempted myself. People can also round off any Civil War stories - I'd like to see some closure to Manius's story at least. But I think after the election, we should close the Senate deliberations thread and stop passing on the savegames for generals to fight their own battles so that we free up the Throne Room to devote its energies to other future PBMs - notably M2TW but also, perhaps after a patch, EB 0.8.
[1]BTW, in case anyone wondered, I was basing the dual battle aspect of the Battle for Rome on Waterloo-Wavre.
Noooo, say it ain't so!!! Must all good things come to an end?
For the record, I would be happy to play on as a fighting general, though not as a consul.
Of course, I am assuming that no-one tries to prosecute Oppius for siding with Servius
For the record, I would be happy to play on as a fighting general, though not as a consul.
Of course, I am assuming that no-one tries to prosecute Oppius for siding with Servius
Hmm, short problem guys.
The Rapidshare uploads for the mod aren't there anymore. This doesn't affect me too much but I would prefer to re-download them onto a different computer in order to make the game work a bit better.
Congrats to all sides, but especially my Senate comrades-in-arms Luca and Decius.
The Rapidshare uploads for the mod aren't there anymore. This doesn't affect me too much but I would prefer to re-download them onto a different computer in order to make the game work a bit better.
Congrats to all sides, but especially my Senate comrades-in-arms Luca and Decius.
Great battle guys and great finale for this story!
All in all I think it's an interesting enough wrap up for the pbem. It didn't dwindle out at the end, stayed tense up until the last moment, and still leaves open the chance of a Servian return or perhaps children of his rising to prominence in Rome's future, under a different name than Aemilia of course. But it's an interesting concept to leave the game off with.
EDIT - As a further note, I wanted you guys to be the first to know that a friend and I are working on something that I think the org could really have a good time with. A comic strip series intended to focus on the life of a few video game enthusiasts like ourselves with a comic bent towards TW series references and situations. Look for the first issue by middle of January, after which I'd like to put out a strip every 1-2 weeks. Hope you guys will like it, and I'll be looking for feedback.
EDIT - As a further note, I wanted you guys to be the first to know that a friend and I are working on something that I think the org could really have a good time with. A comic strip series intended to focus on the life of a few video game enthusiasts like ourselves with a comic bent towards TW series references and situations. Look for the first issue by middle of January, after which I'd like to put out a strip every 1-2 weeks. Hope you guys will like it, and I'll be looking for feedback.
Cool, econ can be even *more* famous than he already is! 
Looking forward to that Lucjan, make sure to keep us updated.
Looking forward to that Lucjan, make sure to keep us updated.*walks in quietly*
Ummmmmmmm
, I'm sorry for never have been active during this, but since this has gotten good, can I still be in? Thank you
*leaves quietly*
Ummmmmmmm
, I'm sorry for never have been active during this, but since this has gotten good, can I still be in? Thank you*leaves quietly*
Hi Patriach of Constantinople, aka Hannibal99. 
I am sorry but this is PBM is just closing - there would be no point rejoining. However, we will very soon be starting a similar M2TW PBM which you would be welcome to join. Keep your eyes peeled or contribute to the brainstorming session going on in the M2TW HRE trial thread.
I am sorry but this is PBM is just closing - there would be no point rejoining. However, we will very soon be starting a similar M2TW PBM which you would be welcome to join. Keep your eyes peeled or contribute to the brainstorming session going on in the M2TW HRE trial thread.One thing I was thinking about is starting another RTW mod PBEM. In the MTW2 test thread there seems agreement that the "feudal" system you've developed makes for a slow game, so how about running a more conventional system in another game? Perhaps using the royal and non-royal idea I talked about in the MTW2 test thread.
I was thinking maybe a BI game using gothmod or Invasio Barbarorum, perhaps re-uniting the Roman Empire again, this time as the ERE? I know you want to do an EB game as well Simon, but are waiting for 1.0 to come out. For that matter, anyone have a clue when RTR 7.0 is due? Its been "soon" for about 6 months now....
I was thinking maybe a BI game using gothmod or Invasio Barbarorum, perhaps re-uniting the Roman Empire again, this time as the ERE? I know you want to do an EB game as well Simon, but are waiting for 1.0 to come out. For that matter, anyone have a clue when RTR 7.0 is due? Its been "soon" for about 6 months now....
Gah! We was robbed!! 
Anyway, seems like I ought to put some effort into finishing the Decus/Manius story now guys.
Trust something like a holiday to get in the way of creative endeavours.
*Consul forever!!*
*Edit - Actually, I’m waiting for the HOF results. Thought I’d missed the votes as they were “meant” to be finalised over Christmas but I see that they polls haven’t opened yet.
Anyway, seems like I ought to put some effort into finishing the Decus/Manius story now guys.
Trust something like a holiday to get in the way of creative endeavours.
*Consul forever!!*
*Edit - Actually, I’m waiting for the HOF results. Thought I’d missed the votes as they were “meant” to be finalised over Christmas but I see that they polls haven’t opened yet.
So I understand this entire thing is slowly winding down now, isn't it...
Anyway, the consul isn't found yet and would it be possible for him to ...ehm...resurface at some time - or will the good consul (heh) eventually rise up again ?
Having such an army at my disposal as I have now, and doing nothing with it, is a waste...
Anyway, the consul isn't found yet and would it be possible for him to ...ehm...resurface at some time - or will the good consul (heh) eventually rise up again ?
Having such an army at my disposal as I have now, and doing nothing with it, is a waste...
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy:
So I understand this entire thing is slowly winding down now, isn't it...
I think so - GeneralHankerchief and I are inclined to see the next Consul(s) elected but then put the PBM to bed. If anyone wants to pick up the savegame - stand for Consul against us asap. We may run with it a bit in a more conventional PBM manner, but no promises.So I understand this entire thing is slowly winding down now, isn't it...
Originally Posted by :
Anyway, the consul isn't found yet and would it be possible for him to ...ehm...resurface at some time - or will the good consul (heh) eventually rise up again ?
I think we should regard the reappearance of Servius as a bogeyman story used by loyal Senate matrons to scare their little charges to sleep at night. If people want to write any end of campaign vignettes, they should leave Servius's fate open. I suspect Servius, like Hannibal, he may prove too big a man to escape into obscurity forever, but no doubt Lucjan envisages a more upbeat scenario than dying in some faraway land. Anyway, the consul isn't found yet and would it be possible for him to ...ehm...resurface at some time - or will the good consul (heh) eventually rise up again ?
Originally Posted by :
Having such an army at my disposal as I have now, and doing nothing with it, is a waste...
Not sure if you know about this - but the King of Carthage insisted on you disbanding all your non-Italian/Roman troops. You even had to put down your own elephants. Having such an army at my disposal as I have now, and doing nothing with it, is a waste...
=> 
So it is not "such an army". And I doubt Marcellus and Numerius would be happy to leave you alone with it in Afrika given recent events. 
Originally Posted by econ21:
Not sure if you know about this - but the King of Carthage insisted on you disbanding all your non-Italian/Roman troops. You even had to put down your own elephants. => So it is not "such an army". And I doubt Marcellus and Numerius would be happy to leave you alone with it in Afrika given recent events.
Oh yes, I do know that - although I was under the impression my force was still somewhat large. Larger at least than it seems to be Not sure if you know about this - but the King of Carthage insisted on you disbanding all your non-Italian/Roman troops. You even had to put down your own elephants.
=> So it is not "such an army". And I doubt Marcellus and Numerius would be happy to leave you alone with it in Afrika given recent events. 
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy:
Oh yes, I do know that - although I was under the impression my force was still somewhat large.
It's a full stack, I think, and now being exclusively composed of Romans/Italians is pretty hardcore. It's just that it could not really cause that much trouble in the long run when the Senate have eight such stacks back in Europe. Oh yes, I do know that - although I was under the impression my force was still somewhat large.
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