Polish have a built-in affinity with the Pope?

**Aenlic** · 12-02-2006, 08:26

I started a campaign as the Polish tonight and I am rather surprised at how easy it is to max out my Papal favor as that faction and keep the Pope happy. With other factions it's a struggle to avoid excommunication and deal with inquisitors and keep piety up and heresy down to please his Popeness. But with the Polish it was almost effortless. I only had 2 priests after 15-20 or so turns, all of my generals had low piety and astrologers in their retinues including my faction leader, and I had done nothing to actively encourage the Pope, except allying myself with him as soon as possible; and yet, I was at max favor by turn 15-20 with just one crusade in which I didn't even manage to get even as far as Byzantium with my crusaders before the crusade succeeded! I even continued to attack the HRE after being told to stop by the Pope; and instead of being excommunicated when I failed the stop attacking mission he gives, I just "displeased" him and dropped down one level below max favor. Had it right back up again the next few turns by attacking another HRE stack and releasing them all and building a new church in another city.

Is it intended that Papal favor be so easy as the Polish? Is it just the Polish or do some of the other factions which I haven't yet tried, like the Hungarians, the Milanese and the Venetians have the same boost to Papal favor? I must say it sure is a major change from the struggle I've had with the Pope when playing the French, the English, the Danes, the Spanish and the Scots.

**Spartiate** · 12-02-2006, 08:48

One would wonder if it is a salute to the late great Pope John Paul ii.He was Polish after all.Now that you mention it i don't think i recall the Polish getting excommed in any of my campaigns.

**Kekvit Irae** · 12-02-2006, 08:54

I've seen the Polish get excommunicated in both my Milan and my French campaigns. They both got excommunicated OFTEN. I guess it's all due to rivalries.

**Steinfeld** · 12-02-2006, 12:34

Originally Posted by Kekvit Irae

I've seen the Polish get excommunicated in both my Milan and my French campaigns. They both got excommunicated OFTEN. I guess it's all due to rivalries.

In my English campaign, the Polish have been excommunicated by every Pope so far.
But when I played the Polish, I renamed a priest of mine to Karol Wojtyla and guess what happened? He got elected as Pope immediately PLUS he neverever died!

**=Omni=** · 12-02-2006, 15:18

Originally Posted by Steinfeld

In my English campaign, the Polish have been excommunicated by every Pope so far.
But when I played the Polish, I renamed a priest of mine to Karol Wojtyla and guess what happened? He got elected as Pope immediately PLUS he neverever died!

LOL, that'd be great easter egg :D

I'm playing spain on H/H and I have to say that I also have good relations with pope - I can attack other facitions even if told by pope not to do so, I'm not attacked by inquisittion much and I don't participate in any crusades (I rather use them- ask pope to call them- to have other nations mobilise their army and go away from their land :lol:) I've got excommunicated once or twice, bo so was Poland and other nations. And I didn't have any problems with reconcilation. Well, it must be that the popes budgets is mostly sponsored by me :D

**Riadach** · 12-02-2006, 15:56

Originally Posted by Steinfeld

In my English campaign, the Polish have been excommunicated by every Pope so far.
But when I played the Polish, I renamed a priest of mine to Karol Wojtyla and guess what happened? He got elected as Pope immediately PLUS he neverever died!

what if you're the hre and rename one to joseph ratzinger? or will that just piss of all the muslim factions and force them to jihad against u?

**Kraxis** · 12-02-2006, 17:24

As the HRE the Polish are truly the ones who are the Pope's pets. I have one of my men on the position, and still the Polish maintain a position just below me, despite the fact that they voted against him and are at war with me.