Vassalage: what prompts it?

[Burakius]

I find it rather difficult not only to force a faction into vassalage, but also to understand the logic of the process.

When you beat the AI, when it has horrific losses, when it loses cities and castles and when it's obvious it's irrevocably engaged on the path to total annihilation, I think vassalage should be a realistic option.

What I get is "very demanding" demeanors and angry answers. It's like the AI religiously practices a before-its-time stalinistic theory of "all-the-people all-out-resistance-war". Only if loyalist rebellions would pop out in the newly conquered cities/castles, it would explain it.

I know that's how it's supposed to be - Total War, AI not interested in peace with you, but really... why have the option if it doesn't work in a logical manner?

what actually happens when becoming vassal?>

[Vlad Tzepes]

If you make smbd a vassal - presumably you get all their profits, every turn, and it can't declare war on you. And that's about everything AFAIK. Didn't get a vassal yet - but in RTW that's how it worked, after a patch, in vanilla protectorates got rich from your treasury, that was really funny...

If you become a vassal - don't know.

[Faenaris]

As far as I know, when you become a vassal, you become allies with your new "boss", you give military acces AND you pay them a certain percentage of your income.

On the plus side, you have powerful ally that won't betray you (at least, not as much as the normal allies would) and you get acces to his lands.

[FesterShinetop]

Is it also possible for lands that became Vassal to "break free" again? Or is being a vassal permanent?

[Faenaris]

Is it also possible for lands that became Vassal to "break free" again? Or is being a vassal permanent?

You simply cancel the alliance and attack. No more paying taxes for the big boss , just make sure you are prepared. And breaking a vassalage is considered a bad act, so your reputation will lose a couple of points.

[Don Jacopo Caldora]

I won my second game playing Denmark with 3 vassel states. What is nice the territory of the vassel counts towards your victory conditions, so you dont have to take all 45 territories to win. This is good as I tend to play long, and wil be modding my next game to the 1 turn = 1 year ratio to give myself more time to develop my nation b efore going conquering.

I also found it is good to offer lots of cash with the vassilage offer to improve the chances of the ai accepting. Alternatly you could give them a territory back to sweeten the deal as well.

Current game as Sicily have one client state (Milan) and hopeing to add spain as I am whomping them. Biggest threat now to my empire is Mongolia (who made it all the way to frankfurt!, turn 170) and Venice and germany are being stuborn but not really a threat.

[Bob the Insane]

Is it not the same as the Protectorate in RTW?

That is Alliance, Trade Rights and Military Access plus (and this is the real big one) that factions provinces count as yours for victory purposes...

Is that not so?

To be honest I could never get anyone to agree to it in RTW...

[crpcarrot]

As far as I know, when you become a vassal, you become allies with your new "boss", you give military acces AND you pay them a certain percentage of your income.

On the plus side, you have powerful ally that won't betray you (at least, not as much as the normal allies would) and you get acces to his lands.

Actually it didnt work like this on M2TW

in my campaign as england france declared war on me then the pope asked em to cease hostilities. then france demanded that i become a vassal. i counter offerd for a tribute of 1000 per turn. and they accepted.

it lasted for about 10-15 turns and then france sent in a spy and tthat broke the alliance.

havent yet managed to get anyone t be my vassal yet.