As Watchman has said, scriptures proove nothing for anything (and i would say the same if someone was arguing for islam being peaceful) - they can be interpretted easily, just look at the vastly different opinions on the bible etc, the koran is the same.
On the whole immigration thing, i (actauly) agree with frag when he says time is the answer, policies that look to deliberately integrate muslims into society could easily have the opposite effect.....
however i do think they the problem is both with the nature of islam and our own society, muslims immigrate to Britain (and holland
) because they see the nicer life we have here (and we do) - we have no right to deny them access to our country, especially if they are moving from very poor or violent areas of the world, they have to accept that they will have to be flexible, and that is possible, what has to happen is that al;l the internal radicals (mainly clerics i think) need to eliminated, or at least pacified, without radical leaders the extremism which tends to evolve from the turbulant reas immagrants come from is reduced over time... what mustnt happen is that muslims are refused opportunities because of their religion or culture, they have to accomodate for our society, but the only way to integrate them is to give them jobs etc, modern society is proof that when lifestyle improves religion becomes less important. [sorry its a bit messy, first post for a while]
The nature of islam in no way prevents integration, society has absorbed many immagrant influx's over time. Certainly in Britain at the moment its only a very small minority of muslims who have problems intgrating (usually those with the most extreme beliefs) - it just takes time for the muslim community to adapt. - I also dislike the claim that muslims tend to isolate themselves, certainly in my community many muslims are active members of the area, helping with charity events etc as much as anyone else (although i realize im in a very multicultural area - i don't know about otherwise)
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