I know this article is a joke, but it's entirely too believable, if you've been following what the RIAA and MPAA have been up to. Read and be amused. And then have a good cry. Let it all out.
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I know this article is a joke, but it's entirely too believable, if you've been following what the RIAA and MPAA have been up to. Read and be amused. And then have a good cry. Let it all out.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
* already looks forward to 196 people shredding the opening post apart, filling three pages about how Lemur misrepresented the author *![]()
But seriously, yes, one would expect somebody to someday claim that 'just because you buy a DVD to watch at home doesn't give you the right to invite friends over to watch it too.'
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
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Or use it on that second TV in the other room. You must buy another full-price copy. Because revenues are falling and those poor, near-destitute artists are being denied the fruits of their labour. Think of the artists.
Lemur, I know you are an El Reg reader, so you will know what I mean when I refer to the Recording Industry Ass. of America. The parody is too close to the bone, methinks.![]()
"If there is a sin against life, it consists not so much in despairing as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this one."
Albert Camus "Noces"
You dear lemur have scared the heck out of me. I had to re read the top portion of your post a couple of times through that aritcle. It has a chilling realism about it. With the way the MPAA is going though it's only a matter of time till someone starts spouting off those comments.
Wasnt there a couple lawsuits from the MPAA or a related organization sueing a few people for having superbowl parties last year?
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Wine is a bit different, as I am sure even kids will like it.
"Hilary Clinton is the devil"BigTex
~Texas proverb
Is that one of these protection of rights casa nostra organisations? We have these vultures here as well, 'you don't steal a wallet blablabla piracy is a crime'. Now what happened, the money that should have gone to the artists incidently went to the stock-market, and they lost 60% of it. So piracy is a crime yet speculating with other people's money isn't, weird.
Recently they wanted to have extra money for every mp3 player, I can't believe they have the nerve.
If you go to the cinema these days you get a warning that taping is illegal, and at least one 'info-mercial' about piracy being a crime.
Not as bad as rental dvd's though, I once rented a movie that had over 10 minutes of anti-piracy warnings (same text in different languages), unskippable...
Yes, Iraq is peaceful. Go to sleep now. - Adrian II
While entertaining and amusing, isn't this entire thread just one giant straw man? You're attributing an argument supposedly made by the MPAA that they've never actually made?
I mean, after all, they actually want to get paid for their work and enforce the law. Bloody fascists!!!![]()
"A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
Don Vito Corleone: The Godfather, Part 1.
"Then wait for them and swear to God in heaven that if they spew that bull to you or your family again you will cave there heads in with a sledgehammer"
Strike for the South
I was wondering when this argument would surface. As I said in the first sentence, the article is a joke, but a representative one.Originally Posted by Don Corleone
I'm all in favor of artists and the corporations that support them getting paid. If you would like to really get into what the RIAA and MPAA have been up to, and if you think their behavior is fine and dandy, well, don't let me stop you. Suing your own customers is the best idea evar! DRM r0x0rs!
God Lemur, take a chill pill. All I said was that the MPAA didn't actually say this, and you have a coniption fit. A simple reminder that this was a parody (you say fair and representational, I'd argue it's a hatchet job) would suffice.
Let me try this a different way. At the end of the day, in this and all the other threads in which you've villified the MPAA/RIAA, aren't you essentially arguing that you should be able to take whatever IP you want, whenever you want?
"A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
Don Vito Corleone: The Godfather, Part 1.
"Then wait for them and swear to God in heaven that if they spew that bull to you or your family again you will cave there heads in with a sledgehammer"
Strike for the South
I'd say he's arguing for consumer friendliness.
Pirated goods are often 'better' than non pirated ones these days (music you can play on an mp3 player or even in a car and a computer, shock ! Games that don't require digging up the disc everytime you want to play it, etc.).
I have, in sevveral threads, spoken out against piracy, but the way honest consumers get threated these days is terrible and unjustified.
Yes, Iraq is peaceful. Go to sleep now. - Adrian II
Absolutely not. I don't believe I've made that argument, um, ever.Originally Posted by Don Corleone
As per usual, the lemur has an unextrordianary (and likely boring) opinion on the subject. As I said in the chill-pill-requiring post:
However, as technology moves along, business models are going to have to change, and I am beyond irritated at the MPAA and the RIAA attempting to freeze time with a combination of mass lawsuits and bad laws (DMCA, anyone?).Originally Posted by Lemur
The way to deal with online piracy seems straightforward to this lemur -- do what's necessary to make filesharing irritating (in other words, go after any company that commercially supports IP infringement), and then (this is the important bit) hit the market with an easier, nicer, better-quality method of distribution. Something similar to the iTunes store, but there's no reason that should be the end-point of quality and convenience. Even if you don't recapture 100% of the legitimate market, you'll still have a fantastic income stream, and both the company and the artist will get paid.
And for crying out loud, don't sue your own clients en masse. That way madness lies.
The RIAA in particular is trying very hard to hold back time and technology, and I find this irritating. The way to get ahead is to advance, not to turtle indefinitely.
Does this position at least seem coherent to you?
Last edited by Lemur; 12-05-2006 at 15:29.
Don, the issue at hand is not how artists need to get paid, but that the industry is trying to hold onto a business model that simply can't be sustained. It's like the manufacturers of steam engines suing everyone who buys an internal combustion engine - or even travels by petrol-fuelled buses.
This might be an enlightening read for outlining a business model that might well work and recompense people properly. There are others suggested - but a notorious unwillingness from the big players to abandon their old paradigms. This often happens, the difference now being that the MPAA and RIAA have the financial muscle and the misguided politicians to prolong their own agony by legal persecution of twelve year old girls.
Hoping t'interweb will go away as the RIAA dreams, does not a business plan make.
"If there is a sin against life, it consists not so much in despairing as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this one."
Albert Camus "Noces"
Guys, I understnd your arguments, and yes, Lemur, your position is a coherent one. Surprsingly I suppose, I agree with you that the current system of royalties is woefully outdated and needs to be updated. Especially given the nature of global business and the fact that the West is at the far end of the spectrum in terms of respecting artistic contribution/intellectual property.
Chinese people would tell you that they don't steal, and they actually don't agree with breaking patents. If you invent the wheel, people who use the wheel should respect you and pay royalties of some form. But they don't think the guy who comes up with the 15th iteration of spoke design should enjoy the same absolute right (I agree with them here).
The issue, to me, is not whether we have a solid, stable system that needs to be maintained. The issue is whether in the absence of a better, newer system, people should be be free to flout the law present in the old. I would argue no. You say that Napster, a corporation, is sueable. But how is that any different than individual filesharing? It's the same principle, and it's bleeding money out of the system just as quickly. It promotes the same sense of lawlessness. People who fileshare know they are breaking the law, and I contend it's not a money issue, it's the thrill of 'getting away with it' that has led to its popularity. Giving them a pass and saying "well, our current system of royalties is outdated so go ahead" is advocating lawlessness.
Yes, by all means, let's construct a system that addresses the status quo and does not give the RIAA & the MPAA the final say in all matters, including what technologies will be allowed. But let's not let any hooligan that wants to prove they're above the law confirm that belief in the mean time.
"A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
Don Vito Corleone: The Godfather, Part 1.
"Then wait for them and swear to God in heaven that if they spew that bull to you or your family again you will cave there heads in with a sledgehammer"
Strike for the South
I agree. Personally, I do not break the law on file-sharing and have the devil of a job stopping Lady Ghost from sharing CDs in contravention of copyright law - in spite of the fact that much of her Marcosian collection of shoes is funded by my copyright protections. She's Russian you see, and in that country there is little concept of IP rights, especially in music and software. A whole generation has grown up there and in China with no regard to the sensibilities of the MPAA.Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Of course, I also haven't bought a DRM protected CD of music in years*. The pigopolists think that their CD profits are being sucked away by illegal file-sharers, but it's as likely there are many consumers like me who don't want to have illegal software installed on my computer, or to be told where and when I may listen to music I purchased legally. I don't like to be characterised as a criminal by default for liking music, so I opt of their game until they come up with a new one.
I would love to buy music and await a time and method when they finally realise they should be catering to my needs as a consumer, rather than their needs as fat cats.
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"If there is a sin against life, it consists not so much in despairing as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this one."
Albert Camus "Noces"
How prevalent are CDs with DRM in the states? I only ask because I've never even encountered one with software which restricted my use.
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Bought any of these albums? Then you, my friend, have been root-kitted. Scary stuff, those rootkits.
I'm an aging lemur, so I don't consume nearly so much music as I used to. Boycotting any and all RIAA labels is no great pain for me. When I do buy music, it's almost always from the iTunes store, because (a) the quality is adequate for car listening, and (b) I know how to strip out the DRM.
My opinion is that I bought it, I own it, and there's no reason I should have to "validate" anything to play it. Makes no ultimate difference to my experience, since all of my music resides on one PC and gets shuffled between two iPods. But it's the principle of the thing. I own those little 2-3 meg files, and if Apple ever goes insane, bankrupt or comes to dominate the world, I should still have access to those little files.
I paid for them, after all.
Last edited by Lemur; 12-05-2006 at 19:41.
What on earth is the MPAA?
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I'm not sure that's really on the money. The problem, as I see it, is that we have a generation that has grown up thinking filesharing is normal. I blame this squarely on the record labels. I was covering the music industry when the Internets were getting started, and every single music exec I spoke with was thinking, worrying and gnawing on what the Internets would mean for them. They had years, years to sort out a new business model, and for reasons of short-sighted greed and organizational inertia, they didn't.Originally Posted by Don Corleone
It's a generational thing, not a criminality thing. Even the children of music execs think it's normal to look for new music with P2P.
For the music industry, it's a bit like Iraq; they messed up the opening phases, and now they've got to deal with a new reality. It's not too late for them to re-tool, but at some point it will be. With any luck the MPAA will play a smarter game. I'm glad to see them in talks with BitTorrent, for instance. And I'm glad they haven't gone bonzo and started five million lawsuits against YouTube.
Last edited by Lemur; 12-05-2006 at 20:06.
Yes, the recording industry are a bunch of scumbags. But running file-servers that distribute their copyrighted material, because they 'deserve it', is vigilantism. It's no different then burning down OJ's house. Trust me, I'd be found guilty of arson, rightfully so.
As for that whole DRM/XCP business, I hope between that, the Playstation 3 artificial shortage, and the exploding laptop batteries, Sony goes under soon. They are a coroporation without scruple and have just made it to the front of my shorts list next time I call my broker. I wonder if this is why my computer can see and identify my CD drives but frequently cannot read the disk on the drive itself on the reader, and the CD-RW/DVD-R doesn't work at all... According to that article, the cure is worse than the sickness. Is there any way to get it off without opening your PC up to remote execution?
"A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
Don Vito Corleone: The Godfather, Part 1.
"Then wait for them and swear to God in heaven that if they spew that bull to you or your family again you will cave there heads in with a sledgehammer"
Strike for the South
I don't know why the MPAA is all upset. I can't believe anyone seriously downloads movies as an alternative to buying them. The video and sound quality is just not good enough.
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
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Can you really say that in a straight face ?
Ok, I'll try to not be rude, and to keep it within the limits of legal discussion of the org: your claim is false.
edit: dammit, I didn't mean to come off like an arrogant pompous ass - I'm sorry about that. I mean, I still think your claim is incorrect, but I should have managed to say that in a less condescending, and more polite, manner.
My apologies for my knee-jerk reaction, Sasaki.![]()
Last edited by Blodrast; 12-05-2006 at 21:08.
Therapy helps, but screaming obscenities is cheaper.
Maybe I'm just picky.Originally Posted by Blodrast
Netflix is far nicer, and works out to about $1.50 a movie.
And that is probably the kind of business model that will become prevalent, let's hope sooner rather than later.
Therapy helps, but screaming obscenities is cheaper.
It's always struck me that those who risk huge fines to watch movies are true fans, whilst those who just pay a couple of hours worth of earnings are wannabes.
Dumb music industry. A whole series of adverts (in the UK anyway) which clearly make out pirates to be proper fans.
Since the rootkit only affects Windows, Microsoft has issued a Malicious Software Removal Tool that should scrub your PC of the Sony evil. There are ways to do it manually, but I would not recommend the process to anyone who is not 100% comfortable in regedit.Originally Posted by Don Corleone
In Europe that's pretty common. I believe in belgium more movies are downloaded a day than in the entire US.Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
But Europe is piracy land, especially further east I've heard.
Yes, Iraq is peaceful. Go to sleep now. - Adrian II
This is the kind of thing that makes the lemur crazy. I bought a DVD, I own it. I want to watch it on my computer? I should be able to do so. I want to copy it to my video iPod to watch it on a plane? I should be able to do so.
The doctrine of fair use and the precedent set by the Home Recording Act both argue in my favor. The MPAA doesn't give a rat's posterior.
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Here's more stuff to get revolted about: let's spell hypocrisy together:
http://techdirt.com/articles/20061204/003837.shtml
RIAA's boss's kids have been downloading unauthorized content... are they gonna be sued ?![]()
After all, the RIAA has been suing parents, considering them liable for their kids' ventures...
Disgusting. And guess what, absolutely nothing will happen, and nothing will change... Of course, justice for all...well, ok, some. Others are above justice.
Therapy helps, but screaming obscenities is cheaper.
Amusing/horrifying update: The RIAA is suing to have artists royalties lowered. Because, you know, there's new technology and stuff. So they should be allowed to pay even less money to the people who make the music.
Funny, those "new technology" thoughts never come up when they're busy suing their own dang customers. Unbelievable.
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