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    Default House Intelligence Committee Dem Chair Supports More Iraq Troops

    Curiouser and curiouser...
    The soon to be chair of the House Intel Committee wants more troops in Iraq and is resisting the general dem call for a timetable. More interesting is that he was one of the few non-hypocrit dems who actually voted against the authorization of war back in 2002.

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    Dec. 5. 2006 - In a surprise twist in the debate over Iraq, Rep. Silvestre Reyes, the soon-to-be chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said he wants to see an increase of 20,000 to 30,000 U.S. troops as part of a stepped up effort to “dismantle the militias.”

    The soft-spoken Texas Democrat was an early opponent of the Iraq war and voted against the October 2002 resolution authorizing President Bush to invade that country. That dovish record got prominently cited last week when Speaker designate Nancy Pelosi chose Reyes as the new head of the intelligence panel.

    But in an interview with NEWSWEEK on Tuesday, Reyes pointedly distanced himself from many of his Democratic colleagues who have called for fixed timetables for the withdrawal of U.S. troops. Coming on the eve of tomorrow’s recommendations from the bipartisan Baker-Hamilton commission, Reyes’s comments were immediately cited by some Iraq war analysts as fresh evidence that the intense debate over U.S. policy may be more fluid than many have expected.

    “We’re not going to have stability in Iraq until we eliminate those militias, those private armies,” Reyes said. “We have to consider the need for additional troops to be in Iraq, to take out the militias and stabilize Iraq … We certainly can’t leave Iraq and run the risk that it becomes [like] Afghanistan” was before the 2001 invasion by the United States.
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    Dec. 5. 2006 - In a surprise twist in the debate over Iraq, Rep. Silvestre Reyes, the soon-to-be chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said he wants to see an increase of 20,000 to 30,000 U.S. troops as part of a stepped up effort to “dismantle the militias.”
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    The soft-spoken Texas Democrat was an early opponent of the Iraq war and voted against the October 2002 resolution authorizing President Bush to invade that country. That dovish record got prominently cited last week when Speaker designate Nancy Pelosi chose Reyes as the new head of the intelligence panel.

    But in an interview with NEWSWEEK on Tuesday, Reyes pointedly distanced himself from many of his Democratic colleagues who have called for fixed timetables for the withdrawal of U.S. troops. Coming on the eve of tomorrow’s recommendations from the bipartisan Baker-Hamilton commission, Reyes’s comments were immediately cited by some Iraq war analysts as fresh evidence that the intense debate over U.S. policy may be more fluid than many have expected.

    “We’re not going to have stability in Iraq until we eliminate those militias, those private armies,” Reyes said. “We have to consider the need for additional troops to be in Iraq, to take out the militias and stabilize Iraq … We certainly can’t leave Iraq and run the risk that it becomes [like] Afghanistan” was before the 2001 invasion by the United States.

    Reyes also stressed that there needed to be greater “political accountability” demanded of the Iraqi government. But on the core issue of the U.S. commitment, Reyes—a Vietnam War veteran who partially lost his hearing in that conflict—even compared his position to that of another Vietnam vet, Sen. John McCain, a staunch supporter of the Iraq war. Like Reyes, McCain also has called for an increase in U.S. troop strength. When asked how many additional troops he envisioned sending to Iraq, Reyes replied: “I would say 20,000 to 30,000—for the specific purpose of making sure those militias are dismantled, working in concert with the Iraqi military.”

    When a reporter suggested that was not a position that was likely to be popular with many House Democrats, Reyes replied: “Well again, I differ in that I don’t want Iraq to become the next Afghanistan. We could not allow Iraq to become a safe haven for Al Qaeda, for Hamas, for Hizbullah, or anybody else. We cannot allow Iran or Syria to have a free hand in there to further destabilize the Middle East.”
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    Reyes added that he was “very clear” about his position to Pelosi when she chose him over two rivals—Rep. Jane Harman of California and Rep. Alcee Hastings—to head the critical intelligence post. One widely cited reason that Harman, a moderate Democrat who supported the war, didn’t get the nod from Pelosi is that the Speaker-designate wanted somebody who would be more aggressive in standing up to the Bush White House—which Reyes promises to be on other issues like domestic wiretapping and CIA secret prisons.

    But when asked what he told Pelosi about his thinking on Iraq, Reyes replied: “What I said was, we can’t afford to leave there. And anybody who says, we are going pull out our troops immediately, is being dishonest … We’re all interested in getting out of Iraq. That’s a common goal. How we do it, I think, is the tough part. There are those that say, they don’t care what Iraq looks like once we leave there. Let’s just leave there. And I argue against that. I don’t think that’s responsible. And I think it plays right into the hands of Syria and Iran.”

    Reyes also said he is eager to see the recommendations Wednesday from the bipartisan panel headed by former secretary of State Jim Baker and former Democratic chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee Lee Hamilton. By some accounts, the panel is set to recommend an adjustment of course that will include the beginning of troop withdrawals pegged to progress on the ground along with other political and diplomatic initiatives. But Reyes said such ideas are not likely to substantially change his own views on the subject. “I’m very interested in reading what their recommendations are. But this is my position.”

    Reyes’s comments were immediately blasted by one Iraq war critic who expressed concerns that they would give new respectability to an idea that has lost considerable support in official Washington as the violence in Iraq has escalated. “I think he [Reyes] needs a course in Insurgency 101,” said Ray McGovern, a former CIA analyst who has been active in an anti-war group called the Steering Group for Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. “Have they learned nothing from Vietnam? If he pushes this and gets some support for it, and with McCain in the Senate, it could become more respectable … I think Reyes has got a lot to learn.”
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    Yet one prominent Iraq war supporter, Cliff May, the president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy who served on an advisory panel that worked with the Baker-Hamilton group, said he was stunned and pleasantly surprised by Reyes’s views. “Wow, that’s remarkable,” May replied when NEWSWEEK told him of Reyes’s comments. “Whenever anybody like myself suggests that we need more troops, we get told that it’s not politically feasible. But if you have a leading Democrat saying it, that strikes me as very significant …. I think it’s dawning on a lot of people that the price of a U.S. defeat would be dire.”

    One source familiar with aspects of the Baker-Hamilton panel’s deliberations said that the idea of an increase of U.S. troop strength of 20,000 to 30,000 had been pushed by some U.S. military commanders for some time. However, Democratic members of the commission were unwilling to go along with any proposal that would indicate an expansion of the U.S. mission in that country, according to the source, who asked not to be identified talking about sensitive matters.

    Yet another member of the Baker-Hamilton advisory panel praised Reyes for proposing the idea of increasing troops, saying it showed that he “doesn’t just fall back on political reflex.” But, added Larry Diamond, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution who formerly served as a U.S. political advisor in Iraq, Reyes’s ideas were unlikely to bear fruit unless accompanied with a far more extensive strategy that included a “political and diplomatic” initiative to reorder and rebuild support for the Iraqi government. “You can’t sustain an increase of 20,000 to 30,000 troops for very long—maybe four to six months,” Diamond said. “Can you really secure progress on the ground in terms of knocking out death squads and militia activity in four to six months? It won’t make sense unless it’s combined with very intensive political and constitutional activity. Otherwise putting in more troops is like putting more fingers in the dyke … I don’t think there is any magic bullet.”


    Not bad news. I feared the dem ascendency would lead to forced timetables and other proven stupidness. It seems that some are realizing 'hey, sticking our heads in the sand may not be a viable long term strategy'.

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    Default Re: House Intelligence Committee Dem Chair Supports More Iraq Troops

    Interesting.

    I'm a long-term opponent of the war, and personally believe the US should get out right away as I think the presence there does far more harm than good. It's no longer fixable and the sectarian fighting has gone past the point where easy forgiveness from any side will lead to peaceful co-existence.

    Nonetheless, I understand I'm in the minority and it is good to see that there are leaders who are willing to think positively and amend their positions to seek a hopeful solution. This kind of non-partisan discussion is essential if a constructive (for the US - Iraq is beyond help now) end-game is to be achieved.

    I just wish the commander-in-chief would get the same revelation as most of his colleagues.

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    I think it has to be looked at it in basic terms. They've ousted Saddam, they are supposed be still there to keep the peace and prop up the regime that the US wants to install there. Long term it isn't going to happen. The US knows that if it pulls out, the US backed Iraqi regime will crumble and someone alot nastier will move in, with popular support. That type of forced system is unsustainable. Whether they pull out now, or pull out in 2 years time it will have the same outcome. You can't force democracy down the throats of those that don't want it.
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    Default Re: House Intelligence Committee Dem Chair Supports More Iraq Troops

    Not bad news. I feared the dem ascendency would lead to forced timetables and other proven stupidness. It seems that some are realizing 'hey, sticking our heads in the sand may not be a viable long term strategy'.
    Do you not think that it is mainly the republican administration and gung-ho pro war crowd who have had their heads stuck in the sand more , with no viable long or short term strategy ?
    As for Reyes suggestion , would 20-30,000 extra troops be enough to even secure Anbar province or Baghdad itself , let alone attempt to disarm the militias ?
    Now if he was talking about 200-300,000 extra troops then perhaps he wouldn't have his head in the sand .

    Though of course the question at this stage really is ..... can anything be achieved at all that may in some remote way be described as beneficial to the Iraqis , their neighbours and the coilition ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    Now if he was talking about 200-300,000 extra troops...
    I think this is what is needed but they can’t be US troops, they need to be Iraq troops and police.

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    What I find mildly annoying is that the dems ran on a platform that included our speedy exit from Iraq but now that they have ascended to power they are realizing the situation and recommending the same thing (stay until we have stabilized the country) W and the right have been saying. Smells like a flip flop to me. I initially thought the shift of power was going to be a bad thing I am starting to believe all the bipartisan committees and such may be a progressive step to get some things done. We were certainly stuck in a rut before, time will tell if we get stuck again.
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    Default Re: House Intelligence Committee Dem Chair Supports More Iraq Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by yesdachi
    I think this is what is needed but they can’t be US troops, they need to be Iraq troops and police.
    Do you understand that it is largely the Iraqi troops and police that are supporting, manning and developing the sectarian violence? That the troop trainers have no way of knowing if they are training and arming troops for the insurgents and militias? That the Iraqi government has no control of anything that happens outside the Green Zone?

    Those insurgents that are constantly reported as "putting on police uniforms" to commit atrocities are in the main, actual police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
    Do you understand that it is largely the Iraqi troops and police that are supporting, manning and developing the sectarian violence? That the troop trainers have no way of knowing if they are training and arming troops for the insurgents and militias? That the Iraqi government has no control of anything that happens outside the Green Zone?

    Those insurgents that are constantly reported as "putting on police uniforms" to commit atrocities are in the main, actual police.

    Should I have said that I think it needs to be “real” Iraq troops and police? I am not opposed to having more of our boots on the ground but 10,000 isn’t enough and eventually the boots need to be Iraq boots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yesdachi
    Should I have said that I think it needs to be “real” Iraq troops and police? I am not opposed to having more of our boots on the ground but 10,000 isn’t enough and eventually the boots need to be Iraq boots.

    Fair enough.

    Not sure where you're going to get these "real" troops from now, but I understand your aspiration.
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    Default Re: House Intelligence Committee Dem Chair Supports More Iraq Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by yesdachi
    “real”
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    Default Re: House Intelligence Committee Dem Chair Supports More Iraq Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
    Fair enough.

    Not sure where you're going to get these "real" troops from now, but I understand your aspiration.
    We could always call up the old Iraqi army and reinstall the Ba'athist regime. They're professional, know their stuff, and have a proven record of success in bringing stability to the place. We'll need to intervene pretty soon though to make sure their CinC doesn't get the rope. An additional plus point - he is fanatically opposed to Bin Laden and other Islamic fundamentalists. The ideal man to have on our side really.

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    Default Re: House Intelligence Committee Dem Chair Supports More Iraq Troops

    I think this is what is needed but they can’t be US troops, they need to be Iraq troops and police.
    Yesdachi , they cannot be US troops (aside from their presence fueling the trouble) because America does not have them to spare .

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