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    sorry but beat an all cav army is just a piece of cake with a balance amy you must just have 4/5 light cav to absorb the charge, pikemen and/or spearmen and even horse archers are excellent.
    The only rule is: DON'T TAKE A LOT OF HEAVY INFANTERY OR YOU WILL LOOSE BADLY. (for the max heayv infantery is 3/4).

    try to adapt it's not RTW.
    "Sur l’amour ou la haine que Dieu porte aux Anglais, je n’en sais rien, mais je suis convaincue qu’ils seront boutés hors de France, exceptés ceux qui mourront sur cette terre."
    On the love or hatred that God give to English, I don't know, but I am convinced that they will cast out from France, except the one will die on this land.
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    A lot of the people have been playing since STW and MTW. We know how to adapt, and we also know how units should work. The cavalry charge is imbalanced.

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    The problem, as I see it, is all cav units, no matter their cost or charge value can kill most of a foot unit (whether spear, pike or sword) on contact (or within a short time after contact). Heavy cav, like the well armored heavy knight units should be able to kill a lot of units on contact due to their armor, mass, and cost. However, even the cheap, unarmored, light cav units kill the same amount of men as the heavily armored, expensive, knight units during the initial charge. I think this is where the actual problem is.

    A light unarmored cav unit should not kill as quickly or as many foot units as a heavy armored cav unit.

    Certain factions might as well not be included in MP (like the Aztec faction) if certain changes aren't made to some of the cav units. The Aztecs have no cav units available so nobody will take them if they think a player will bring a mostly-cav army.

    Proof that cav is overpowered will soon be easily noticed when you find most of your opponents using mostly-cav armies. Just like in MTW and the knight, sword, pavise crossbow armies you saw all the time. The reason you saw those units was because they were the most powerful in the game. Spears have been nerfed since the very first MTW patch. I do not see them being brought back as a powerful anti-cav unit either, due to what Puzz3D insinuated: CA has determined or believes that the majority of the newer players like having strong cav more than balance.

    Another problem is CA has never created two sets of unit stats: One for SP and one for MP. Currently, changes to one will almost always adversely effect the other. CA has always been SP focused, so you will be hardpressed to get any changes which will balance MP, but may unbalance SP. SP still rules.

    I can almost imagine what started this idea of high-powered cav during the meetings for M2TW:

    Someone asked; "What do you think of when you think of medieval warfare?"

    "I think of knights in shiney armor charging down their enemies!"

    "Very good Mr. President of Marketing"

    "I think of balanced armies and spear units impaling horses and bashing in the knights' skulls!"

    "Very good Mr. Wise Guy. I hope you enjoy your next job assignment in the mail room."

    I have seen the future of TW MP and it is XBox Live!

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    Fact is that you can win the campaign VH VH just using cav units, and I do not think that it is what the marketing wanted. I just think that they are not able to test a game like this one, or maybe they have not tested at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paolai
    Fact is that you can win the campaign VH VH just using cav units, and I do not think that it is what the marketing wanted. I just think that they are not able to test a game like this one, or maybe they have not tested at all.
    If you have the money to afford only cav then it's in fact a superior army. Mongols conquered half the world with all cav, duhh.

    IMO, some light cavs should have more charge value like alans used to be. Light cavs should be taking care of spears which are practically peasants.

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