Cav vs Inf

[|Heerbann|_Di3Hard]

I realize this might not help and doesn't solve the overpowered "bugged" cav problem BUT i think its worth mentioning,

Armoured Sergeants in Guard mode, with Retinue Longbow at (sergeants) rear using their special Ability (sharped stakes),


by the time the cav reach your sergeants the cav unit has 10% loses (from missile fire) on impact, the sergeants take about 40% loses because the left and right flanks of the cav run into the stakes,"which are at the rear of sergs) the cav unit should have about 30% loses,
then attack cav unit with longbow men,
you find that the cav will then withdraw, having suffered 80% loses.

armoured sergeants will still have 90% loses BUT the cav unit has been beaten!!!

ok its still 2 vs 1 and still totally unbalanced

The idea sounds good, but if we see, that the enemy has build these stakes, my team move on the flank of the enemy. He has to rotate too and the stakes are useless. These stakes are very useless feature unless the enemy has a position, that I can attack only from one way. But then he has a perfect position anyway.

[Censor]

I know I'm not one to talk, being a neophyte, noob, newb, and whatever other demeaning name you can throw at me.

But...Have you guys played with huge settings? Cav doesn't seem too overpowered with huge units, but there is still a rather powerful charge. The problem with the light cav equalling the heavy in charge capability is inescapable however. Vardariotai charge = poo for spearmen.

[Darsh]

after several games, I think the cavalery isn't overpowered ok the charge is very powerfull but if you can disrupt the cavalery charge with other cavalery and charge with spearmen next you'll will have always the avantage.

all cav army (except perhaps mongols and timurids) are only effective against noobs
all heavy infantery cannot beat a cav army
A balance army can win against everybody.

[CeltiberoMordred]

after several games, I think the cavalery isn't overpowered ok the charge is very powerfull but if you can disrupt the cavalery charge with other cavalery and charge with spearmen next you'll will have always the avantage.

all cav army (except perhaps mongols and timurids) are only effective against noobs
all heavy infantery cannot beat a cav army
A balance army can win against everybody.

If you need 2 units to counter 1 single unit it's a disadvantage. In addition, both must be close to the other.

In an extreme situation, you would need 10 cavalry + 10 spears to counter 10 cavalry units.

Now tell me how you stop the other 10 enemy units.

[Darsh]

If you need 2 units to counter 1 single unit it's a disadvantage. In addition, both must be close to the other.

In an extreme situation, you would need 10 cavalry + 10 spears to counter 10 cavalry units.
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false only 3/4 cavaleries and 4/5 spearmen are need to counter 10 cavaleries because your cavaleries is just here to disrupt the cavalery charge, block the cavalery in the hand to hand and wait the spearmen.
The spearmen are the real cavalery killer but they are very vulnerable against cavalery charge

"Now tell me how you stop the other 10 enemy units"

I speak only for a 10k game because it's the most balance game:
10 cavalery units=10K
4 cavaleriy and 5 spearmen =6500

[CeltiberoMordred]

false only 3/4 cavaleries and 4/5 spearmen are need to counter 10 cavaleries because your cavaleries is just here to disrupt the cavalery charge, block the cavalery in the hand to hand and wait the spearmen.
The spearmen are the real cavalery killer but they are very vulnerable against cavalery charge

"Now tell me how you stop the other 10 enemy units"

I speak only for a 10k game because it's the most balance game:
10 cavalery units=10K
4 cavaleriy and 5 spearmen =6500

If you think that 3-4 cavalry units are enough to block 10 cav units, then I don't find the reason to continue this discussion. You win.

And for your info, you can purchase 10 cav units for 5200 florins or less with many factions. With English, you can even get those 10 cav units for less than 4000 florins.

Regards.

[Keith_the_Great]

Darsh i understand where your coming from here, and at first glance, it seems like a good idea BUT as i've posted ealier and as CeltiberoMordred has pointed out

If you need 2 units to counter 1 single unit it's a disadvantage. In addition, both must be close to the other.

it is a strategical disadvantage

BUT the real problem with this strategy is unit cost, if there was a balanced uint cost, then you could work the 2:1 ratio to your advantage, (depending on ones ability)
i personnally would enjoy the opportunity to field 2:1 ratio inf vs 10 or so cav opponent, it would be challaging