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    Default Minor EDU clean-up

    Being a bit on the curious (and pedantic) side the first thing I did after installing 0.8 was to go through the EDU and see what has changed since .74. On the side I ran into a few odd inconsistencies in the unit stats, oddities that might be oversights or intentional but seem to break consistency with similar units, and a few clear errors (eg. at least one lance primary weapon having the attribute "throwing" instead of "ap" like all the others). I assume the
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    ;402 Arab Slingers - sling should probably have the "ap" attribute, or at least would seem pretty feeble otherwise

    ;14 Arjos - secondary weapon should probably have "spear" attribute, or at least majority of equivalent sword/spear heavy infantry seems to

    ;282 Iaosatae - sling should probably have the "ap" attribute , and the regional version of the same unit (;283) has

    ;23 Balroae - secondary weapon has the attribute "spear_bonus_6" which seems rather aberrant, as no other spearman gets it but instead has more "mount_effects"

    ;59 Curepos - secondary weapon should probably have "ap" attribute like other cavalry spears

    ;58 Leuce Epos - ditto

    ;53 Komatai Hippeis - secondary weapon should probably have attack delay of 160 like other one-handed cavalry spears

    ;372 Ktistai - ditto

    ;54 Komatai Sphendonitai - sling should probably have the "ap" attribute

    ;10 Aspet Hetselazor - primary weapon should probably have attack delay 160, lethality 0.33 and the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears

    ;221 Azad Asavaran - primary weapon apparently buggered one way or another; unit type reads "missile cavalry", primary weapon seems to be a kontos lance - with the attribute "throwing"... The DMB gives the relevant skeleton as "fs_thp_m_spearman" though...

    ;222 Dehbed Asavara - primary weapon lethality should probably be round "1" as with all other missiles, not "0.2889"

    ;9 Zrahakir Netadzik - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "throwing" like other mounted bows (is this still necessary in 1.5 BTW ?), and secondary weapon a lethality of 0.4 like other kontos lances

    ;225 Pontic General - secondary weapon should probably have attack delay 160, lethality 0.33 and the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears

    ;292 Shuban Fradakshana - sling should probably have the "ap" attribute

    ;295 Babylonian Heavy Infantry - should primary weapon have the "spear" attribute typical of "double armed" spearmen ?

    ;296 Nakhararakan Tiknapah - ditto

    ;69 Ridohárjoz (and ;70, the merc version) - secondary weapon should probably have attack delay 160 like other one-handed cavalry spears

    ;134 Ferulhárjoz (& ;136, the GenBG version plus ;135 Gástiz) - secondary weapon should probably have "spear" attribute

    ;414 Kirslininkas - an armour line of "9, 3, 0, flesh" seems somehow inappropriate for men wearing but clothes and carrying shields...

    ;423 Uachtarach DuboGaiscaocha (and the rebel version ;424) - primary wepon should probably have the "ap" attribute like other solifera

    ;183 Hippeis - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears, and to maintain consistency with the merc version ;184

    ;371 Baktrioi Hippotoxotai - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "throwing" like other mounted bows (is this still necessary in 1.5 BTW ?)

    ;182 Hippakontistai (and the rebel version ;353) - secondary weapon should probably have the "ap" attribute that usually goes with kopis swords

    ;366 Thrakioi Hippeis - secondary weapon should probably match that of the merc version ;419 (whose charge value appears *severely* excessive BTW)

    ;304 Toxotai Kretikoi (and the merc versuin ;418) - should probably have secondary weapon lethality around 0.1 instead of 0.04, as they're supposed to carry short swords instead of daggers

    ;389 Baktrian Bodyguard - stats do not quite appear to match either appereance or description

    ;425 Massiloi Hoplitai (and the merc version ;426) - secondary weapon should probably have "spear" attribute

    ;195 Iberian Lancearii (and the GenBG version ;193 and the rebel version ;428)) - primary weapon should probably have attack delay 160 like other one-handed cavalry spears

    ;198 Iberian Scutarii (and the merc version ;200) - primary weapon lethality should probably be round "1" as with other missiles

    ;375 Balearic Light Infantry - secondary weapon should probably have lethality of "1" and the attribute "ap" like other falcatas

    ;233 & ;234 Eqvites Romani - primary weapon should probably have attack delay 160 like other one-handed cavalry spears

    ;245 Equites Praetoriani - primary weapon should probably have attack delay 160, lethality 0.33 and the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears

    ;252 Velites - should probably have secondary weapon lethality around 0.1 instead of 0.04, as they're supposed to carry short swords instead of daggers

    ;361 Eqvites Germanorvm - secondary weapon should probably have lethality 0.33 and the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears

    ;339 Eqvites Gallorvm - secondary weapon should probably have the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears

    ;393 Ala Imperatoria - secondary weapon should probably have the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears

    ;310 Early Saka Nobles - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "throwing" like other mounted bows (is this still necessary in 1.5 BTW ?)

    ;319 Aeldary Aembaltae - ditto

    ;387 Scythian Nobles - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "ap" instead of "thrown"

    ...and more generally, isn't the barbarian warcry ability a separate unit attribute as per 1.5 ?
    Last edited by Watchman; 12-07-2006 at 00:54.
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    Default Re: Minor EDU clean-up

    Some nice points here. I'll have to check EDU thoroughly. Glad you posted this. It's quite helpfull.

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    "Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."

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    Outta curiosity, should I post it on the twcwnter.org forums too in case someone finds it useful ?
    "Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."

    -Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    Default Re: Minor EDU clean-up

    Quote Originally Posted by Watchman
    Outta curiosity, should I post it on the twcwnter.org forums too in case someone finds it useful ?
    Sure. Someone might not check the ORG often.

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    Yiss massterr, Igor do.
    "Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."

    -Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    Default Re: Minor EDU clean-up

    Me and TK-421 (EB stater) have now corrected this list accordingly.

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    Default Re: Minor EDU clean-up

    Please,check out Toxotai(hellenic archers).Their secondary weapon lethality is 0.4.
    May be it should be 0.04?
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    Yep. Someone pointed that one out a while ago in a thread in the main forum, although I must admit my effort shamefully missed it.

    I must redeem myself by committing seppuku with the 0.4 lethality dagger.

    I've since then noticed a couple of other minor oddities - IIRC the Scythian Foot Archers or some other of those higher-end "eastern" archers had some pretty absurd anti-cavalry bonuses for example - but figured it wasn't really worth the trouble to post those since the appropriate authorities are rechecking the EDU anyway.
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    "Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."

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    Default Re: Minor EDU clean-up


    Look to the charge bonuses an shield factor too, please!
    - sotaroas: no shield, but bonus of 1?
    - curepos: charge bonus 4?
    so on...
    I'm doing a check for all units, but I don't know what are EB team unit_stats projects... Waiting for 8.1
    Thanks a lot!
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