Questionable feature [replacements from retraining are experienced]

**Barry Fitzgerald** · 12-11-2006, 01:54

I will second that. I played RTW to death..and you most def did lose experience with green troops into a veteran unit.

At this stage it is hard to say if this is a MTW2 feature..or an oversight...

**Handel** · 12-11-2006, 02:25

This is obviosly a bug. It is stated firmly in the manual the replacements are green.

**rory_20_uk** · 12-11-2006, 02:30

I agree that with the old system of decent troops could only be got through combat did require micromanagement, but I didn't and don't think that it is such a bad thing - especially when the AI doesn't retrain (something that there has beenample time to rectify).

Getting elite units and keeping them did require thought. Do you throw them in each and every conflict as your losses will be lower, or save them as a strategic reserve in case of problems? If you can chuck them into every fight only to replenish whenever seems pretty stupid.

**Kraxis** · 12-11-2006, 02:52

People this was a 'feature' in RTW as well.

Some people began noticing something wa not right, then finally somebody trained a Bireme or something up to 3 golds, then retrained the remaining few men. Bam! Instant 3 gold ship. I even beleive there were screenshots as it was all very new, and people had been bickering over the issue for weeks.

And I definately remember the elite retraining in my RTW... So I wonder what you were playing. MTW perhaps? That was indeed free from elite retraining.

Andsince the manual says that retraining should deplete experience, I would have to say something got lost somewhere. Personally I just think that CA never noticed this, and actually believed/believes that retraining indeed does deplete experience. Hence why change anything for M2?

I would love to ask a dev if this is a feature or something that shouldn't be. That could settle this once and for all.

**Shahed** · 12-11-2006, 06:19

Yeah I'd like to know as well.

Though it is nice to have 3 gold chevron troops but it's really fake. I've got about 8, 3 gold chevron Turcomen in my current campaign. It's awesome to play with them, all of them are snipers, send them straight for the enemy general and they shoot him down in a hail of arrows, while on the move ! It's awesome to watch though, cinematic !

But it is feeble so I stopped retraining. I merge units and produce fresh ones to feed field armies.

**Ars Moriendi** · 12-11-2006, 08:52

I'm all for NOT exploiting the game mechanics, and the way the replacements work now is wide open to exploits.
Still, it has one big advantage :
You build up one unit, you watch them slowly grow into an elite to be feared, you become attached to them... Then, one battle, you do something stupid. Like letting your uber 9exp vardariotay chase some routers, then forgetting the skirmish off only to find them later almost wiped out by some lowly militias gangin up on them. When that happens I send them off (secretly

) to the nearest retraining center. And voila!, my gold unit is back ! And then I pretend the stupid mistake never happened

Eh, just keep hitting M after battles and only retrain the leftovers...

**Somebody Else** · 12-11-2006, 08:54

If it's that much of a problem, and you still want/need to merge units. Just merge them back and forth. You'll end up with the depleted unit with very low experience after 3 or 4 swaps...