More than 1 Cathedral: No Bishops?

[R'as al Ghul]

When I built my first Cathedral the Priests produced there were Bishops and had higher Piety. I've several Huge Cathedrals and normal Cathedrals now but I don't get any Bishops.
Is this intended? Is the Bishop production limited to one special Cathedral and I'm producing in the wrong one? I honestly can't remember where my first one was build.


R'as

[Bob the Insane]

Hmmm...

this is detmined by the Priest level trait:

Trait PriestLevel
    Characters priest

    Level Bishop
        Description Bishop_desc
        EffectsDescription Bishop_effects_desc
        Threshold  1 

        Effect Piety  1 
        Effect Level  1 

    Level Cardinal
        Description Cardinal_desc
        EffectsDescription Cardinal_effects_desc
        Threshold  2 

        Effect Piety  1 
        Effect Level  2 
        Effect HeresyImmunity  1

The only triggers that effect this are:

Trigger priestinit4
    WhenToTest AgentCreated

    Condition AgentType = priest
          and SettlementBuildingExists = cathedral
          and Trait PriestLevel = 0

    Affects PriestLevel  1  Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger cardinalinit1
    WhenToTest CardinalPromoted

    Condition Trait PriestLevel = 1

    Affects PriestLevel  1  Chance  100 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger cardinalinit2
    WhenToTest CardinalPromoted

    Condition Trait PriestLevel = 0

    Affects PriestLevel  2  Chance  100

So it appears if you train a priest where you have a Cathedral you should always get a Bishop. And there is no way for an esisting Priest to get prompted to become a Bishop (should be easy to mod in if you like though).

I would guess this mean a Huge Cathedral only gets you a regular Priest - bug?

Additional:

Oh and just to make things more complicated I notced these traits:

;------------------------------------------
Trait Bishop
    Characters priest
    Hidden

    Level A_Bishop
        Description A_Bishop_desc
        EffectsDescription A_Bishop_effects_desc
        Threshold  1 

        Effect Piety  1 
        Effect Level  1 



;------------------------------------------
Trait Cardinal
    Characters priest
    Hidden

    Level PriestToCardinal
        Description PriestToCardinal_desc
        EffectsDescription PriestToCardinal_effects_desc
        Threshold  1 

        Effect Piety  1 
        Effect Level  2 
        Effect HeresyImmunity  1 

    Level BishopToCardinal
        Description BishopToCardinal_desc
        EffectsDescription BishopToCardinal_effects_desc
        Threshold  2 

        Effect Piety  1 
        Effect Level  1 
        Effect HeresyImmunity  1

But there are no trigger that effect them? Unused??

[R'as al Ghul]

Trigger priestinit4
    WhenToTest AgentCreated

    Condition AgentType = priest
          and SettlementBuildingExists = cathedral
          and Trait PriestLevel = 0

    Affects PriestLevel  1  Chance  100

So it appears if you train a priest where you have a Cathedral you should always get a Bishop.
I would guess this mean a Huge Cathedral only gets you a regular Priest - bug?

Yes, to me it looks as if a Huge Cathedral only produces Priests.
Also, the Cathedral only produces a Bishop if the produced Priest has Piety=0. I could imagine that other factors influence my Priest production and makes them spawn at piety=1. If that is so, my whole Bishop production is broken.

Seems like a bug.

[Beefeater]

Could we mod in an 'Archbishop' trait for Huge cathedrals?

[Dexter]

There is a guild .. theologist if i remember .. whitch adds +1 pietry to your priest on lev 1 can be upgradet to lev 3 ... should be + 3 ... build your catedral here / the huge one / should help ..

[dopp]

It's most likely a typo. Just change the check line to:

"and SettlementBuildingExists >= cathedral"

Then anything larger than a cathedral will produce bishops.

[Kraxis]

It's most likely a typo. Just change the check line to:

"and SettlementBuildingExists >= cathedral"

Then anything larger than a cathedral will produce bishops.

Yeah... remember a whole load of that kind of messed up traits in Rome, and the current Bad Taxman now.

Archbishop should be easy. Just another level before Cardinal comes along. I guess the Archbishop could be immune to herecy? Otherwise he might become too pious and thus make Archbishop instant Cardinals (I have had a few of that kind among the bishops already).

[Jan Zamoyski]

It's most likely a typo. Just change the check line to:

"and SettlementBuildingExists >= cathedral"

Then anything larger than a cathedral will produce bishops.

How one can do that? Which file should be modified?

[Kraxis]

You can't yet...

[Jan Zamoyski]

You can't yet...

That's what I thought. Thus I was surprised by the advice.

[Kraxis]

Well, there is a modchanger somewhere that lets you change stuff, but it isn't the easiest as far as I ahve heard, so I advice people to wait for the unpacker.

[dismal]

When I built my first Cathedral the Priests produced there were Bishops and had higher Piety. I've several Huge Cathedrals and normal Cathedrals now but I don't get any Bishops.

Same issue. Have probably built at least 10-12 cathedrals, and think I only ever got one Bishop right after the first one I built.

Part of this I imagine is that I tend to train priests closer to the front, and the cathedrals are more common in the old section of my empire.

[Quillan]

I get bishops from any catholic cathedral I build, but only priests from huge cathedrals. I did have an issue where I took a city from another catholic faction that already had a cathedral in it, built a priest and didn't get a bishop, but after that it started working. I had 8-10 cathedrals in my Spanish campaign and could create bishops in any of them. I generally restricted it to just one of three, though. One had a Theologians Guild in it so they came out better there, and the other two were in places where when I needed a priest, I needed it NOW and not 10 turns from now.

[dopp]

If you are brave enough to try a modswitch, you can play with a modded game. I've been fixing stuff the whole of last week.

[Aks K]

If you are brave enough to try a modswitch, you can play with a modded game. I've been fixing stuff the whole of last week.

Indeed! This is they way to go - atm. BTW - you don't need to be brave - just get the files from this thread: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=73971
And follow the mod switch instructions of this thread:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=71291
It is quite simple.

Aks K