Unit Inconsistencies

**Rabbit** · 12-09-2006, 15:40

Ive noticed while playing as the Casse, that the descriptions and the stats dont neccessarily match up. One of them ( i think it may have been the early shortswordsmen) had in the description that they lacked javeilins or ranged weapons and were therefore vulnerable at range. However in his stats he had a missile attack score of 10.

So, when i come up to these inconsistencies, should i trust the description or the stats?

**Dram** · 12-09-2006, 17:31

trust the stats, they reflect what is in the unit.txt file that determines their combat attributes.

on an related note, i was wondering if the Massilian Medium Infantry are supposed to have only 60 men (on large setting). just seems a bit odd since they are nothing special combat wise and they have quite a high upkeep per person. other units which are of comparable strength generally have 80 to 100 men, for example, the greek outrunner hoplites are very similar and have 100.

edit- they also take 2 turns to create.

**Hephaistion** · 12-11-2006, 18:45

I've also noticed some inconsistencies here and there while playing the Romans:

South Gallic Mercenary Spearmen actually carry swords
South Gallic Mercenary Light Cavalry have a Charge Bonus of 1, while their faction counterparts have 25+

Numidian Skirmishers have a Charge Bonus of 15, while most other infantry unit I've seen so far have a bonus of 1
Misthophoroi Hoplitai also have a higher charge bonus for no apparent reason, though I can't remember what it is

I'm only assuming because of the pattern I've seen so far that all infantry are supposed to have a charge bonus of 1 ... is this true? I expected that the infantry of factions described as "ferocious," such as Celts, etc., would have a higher charge bonus than other units.

As a general note, I would like to comment that EB 0.8 rocks my world. I was skeptical, as playing .74 was too bug-riddled for me, but was very, very pleased to see the results of all of the EB team's hard work! It is appreciated!

**fallen851** · 12-11-2006, 20:36

As far as I can tell, perhaps only three people are capable of understanding the oddities of the EB EDU text, and that is Qwerty, Tk, and God himself.

All others must trust on blind faith that the system is working.

I think I've spent maybe four hours looking through it... I'll post some of my concerns later.

**Moros** · 12-11-2006, 22:59

There are some errors in the stats, some had to be done quite fast and it's an enormous amoutn of stats he had to do. I think TK did a splendid job, only a few of the more than 300 units (or are there even a lot more!?) have some error. Also some or all of them might be fixed in 0.81. Not sure tough. And otherwise they will be in 0.82. However if you might find some oddities or stuff. Keep posting them perhaps they haven't been noticed yet.

**Geoffrey S** · 12-11-2006, 23:15

Originally Posted by fallen851

As far as I can tell, perhaps only three people are capable of understanding the oddities of the EB EDU text, and that is Qwerty, Tk, and God himself.

All others must trust on blind faith that the system is working.

I think I've spent maybe four hours looking through it... I'll post some of my concerns later.

Good to know you'll report the problems. This is an open beta, with inconsistencies in a mod so large it's easy for developers to lose track of them and that players may notice so they can be fixed.

**Puupertti Ruma** · 12-12-2006, 01:15

I've been wondering about the Lusotannan factional units, especially the Lusotannan specific Caetranann versus the iberian Caetrati. What I find odd, is that the Lusotannan Caetranann is stats wise worse than Caetrati at all aspects. Smaller attack, smaller missile attack and smaller defence ratio. This might be intentional but two things are bugging me a lot more: First, Lusitanian Caetranann have shield value of 2 and Iberian Caetrati have 3. Weird, because they use the exact same shield and also because gestikapoinan and scutarii have shieldvalues of 3. Second, in Lusitanian Caetrannan description it is stated that their skirmishing ability is even more enhanced than Iberian Caetratis, but Lusotannans have normal stamina, while Iberian have good stamina (or great, can't remember for sure). Weird because skirmishing is all about stamina, isn't it? So is this intentional or an accident?

Also, as a side note, I'd like to see skirmish mode enabled for my Caetrati and Caetrannan, so if I wan't to use them as skirmishers I could without microing them like crazy.

**Aymar de Bois Mauri** · 12-12-2006, 14:20