Nationwide unrest

**Quillan** · 12-10-2006, 15:07

I don't think it's a bug. I think it's a planned effect. It mostly happens in settlements that didn't belong to you at game start, so I think it's a replacement for the culture penalty from RTW. They really toned down the public order penalties in this game. The 50% culture penalty is gone, squalor penalty to public order caps at 80% now, distance to capitol penalty has been reduced, so it's a lot easier to keep a large city under control in this game. I expect the permanent unrest (if that's what it is) was put in the game to give you SOME little difficulty to overcome keeping acquired regions under control. I just haven't been able to find it in the files where it's controlled.

**FactionHeir** · 12-10-2006, 15:12

Considering that Milan in my Milan vampaign was no longer my capital but had permanent unrest, I don't think it has to do with replacement of cultural differences (as those in RTW could be eliminated over time using extermination and demolishing buildings not of your faction)
As for "easier control of large cities", I again have to disagree. The decrease in squalor effect but addition to population growth just mean the cities become ever larger and you can't have the tax rates high to stop growth (unless you want to forgo a lot of useful buildings to decrease growth) and when taxes are low it just grows even faster. I.e. I got permanent PO troubles from cities that grew above 40k and still with positive growth rates.

The unrest must stem from something else that they must have made an error on really...

**Bijo** · 12-10-2006, 15:56

I'd like to support you but I'm not saying it's a bug though. Fact is, I don't know what it is, lol :)

But I'm sure we can find out. I'll check that bug list again :)

**Quillan** · 12-10-2006, 16:11

I can't post attachments, so I'll hide this under a spoiler tag below, but I was right. I did a little digging over in the RTW forums. In the data folder of the game directory was a file called descr_rebel_factions.txt. In this file, it listed every type of rebels that could appear in the game, along with certain specifics on them. Here's a snippet from the RTW vanilla file as of version 1.6:

rebel_type Judaeans //parthia
category peasant_revolt
chance 6
description Judaeans
unit east archer
unit rebel judaean zealots
unit rebel judaean zealots
unit eastern rebel general

The rebel type was tied to a particular province, Judea in this case. The //parthia probably meant which models to use. The unit listing showed what types of units could appear in a rebel army. The "chance" line is the important one. What they found was each point of chance was 5% permanent unrest in the game if you held that province. The vast majority of the settlements had 0 under chance. A few had 6 and somewhat more than that had 3, which made for a few provinces with 30% base unrest and a number more with 15%.

This particular file is packed up in M2TW, but over in the mod chat forums there is a thread which contains a link where you can download the already unpacked files to look at, or modify and use with the mod switch feature. I downloaded them a while back, so here's the entirety of the contents of the M2TW descr_rebel_factions.txt file:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Not all provinces can have rebels appear. These are the provinces that can. Every single one has a chance of 3, which means 15% base unrest.

**Zenicetus** · 12-10-2006, 20:40

Originally Posted by Quillan

Not all provinces can have rebels appear. These are the provinces that can. Every single one has a chance of 3, which means 15% base unrest.

Good detective work! So, we can assume that 15% unrest (yellow trident version) could be a single spy in a province without base unrest, but it's probably just base unrest for that province. And anything over 15% means you've got a spy, right?

**FactionHeir** · 12-10-2006, 21:10

Interesting finding indeed, but while it does mention region based, it does not mention which regions are actually affected.
Further, it could simply be that this might be a chance that rebels (and what type of rebels+amount) spawns in this province randomly?

**FactionHeir** · 12-10-2006, 21:19

Oh another thing (i wish I could edit):

Your evidence does not really explain why the unrest isn't permanent to begin with but sets in after a certain amount of time and at varying times for varying settlements.