eh, why are people hysterical about Inquisiters?

**Quillan** · 12-18-2006, 19:27

Why do you think that trigger is bugged? I would think if a Pope had a high violence (willingness to use violent means to an end) or purity (concern about the purity of the faith) then he'd be more willing to appoint rabid inquisitors to hunt down the enemies of the faith. Low violence and purity would be the opposite, either a dislike of violent method or more tolerance for religious variance from the orthodox line set down by the Papacy.

**Kobal2fr** · 12-18-2006, 19:31

Violence is not bugged, Purity is. As it is, a Pure pope will spawn Unfair Inquisitors, while a corrupt pope will spawn Fair Inquis. Which is a bit weird.

EDIT : oh, and Purity is not really concern for the faith, it's really personnal virtue, I think. Integrity. For instance, if a priest gets the choirboy ancil, he gets -1 purity. A corrupt priest also loses Purity, while a priest who disregards the power he could derive from his position has +1 purity. This is what leads me to believe that high Purity means living in a W.W.J.D manner, turning the other cheek, that sort of thing.

I may be wrong of course.

**Headlocked** · 12-18-2006, 19:59

@ dopp& kobal:

could you pm or post the trait files youre talking about and I could verify them on my installation?

very interested...:)

i think what was said about the Pope's traits affecting Inquis rings a bell- certainly I also read that about a cardinals traits coming over when he (or she!

) becomes pope- its right there on the Papal sheet/window.

Would make the most sense, as they are supposed to be agents of the pope, not simply "random" responses to heresy levels.

EDIT: Comments about the Inquis being historically agents of the various crowns, rather than the Pope are also correct- however, they required sanction from the Pope still, and the piety and good relations of the said Spanish royalty gave them a big margin of control. The English kings extremely rarely had that level of control over Inquis.
Please correctme if I am wrong :)

Ive said it before: this game has several layers to everything

HDD

**Quillan** · 12-18-2006, 21:44

At a guess, I'd say it's in the export_descr_character_traits.txt file, which are packed. You can use the unpacker to open them up, or you can just download the files. There's a thread over in the mod chat forum that had a link to download them prior to the patch.

**Kraxis** · 12-18-2006, 22:50

Kobal which files has that relation between the Pope and the Inqs?

**Kobal2fr** · 12-18-2006, 22:54

export_descr_character_traits.txt

Here are the (unmodded) triggers :

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

EDIT : and, having said that, I realize I had things upside down. It's Violence, not purity, that is bugged, in that it should trigger Unfair inquis.

**baron_Leo** · 12-18-2006, 22:58

I use Land to Conquer Mod, so I rarely see Inquisitors, but if I see one near my general I use the give_trait this AgentPiety cheat on my general. Yes I really hate cheating, I never cheat in any game, but this one is just needed not to go ballistic and kick the s**t out of my computer. To quote Adrian Monk: "It is for the GG. The Greater Good" :-)

**seneschal.the** · 12-18-2006, 23:02

export_desc_character_traits.txt:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Fair prosecutor gets -1 and -2 for Piety, while unfair gets +.

Depending on how you look at what "purity" and "violence" means, it can seem odd. A violent and pure pope gets inquisitors starting with -2 piety, while a corrupt and peaceful one has inquisitors at +2 piety.

IMO, I am going to change the violent/peaceful - reverse them. Violent popes should have violent inquisitors. Purity is a bit tricky.. depending on how you interpret it, a pure pope does not want people burned unfairly, so his inquisitors are fair. OR, a pure pope wants every bit of heresey rooted out, so his inquisitors are unfair.

**Kraxis** · 12-18-2006, 23:57

Duh! I wonder how I could have missed that... It seems so logical to be there. And I was just modding back and forth that very file (to get a more balanced, positive and negative, trait system).

Oh, and the Pure Pope is the very christian one. The one who want to treat others well, the one who will just be a Pope for the people ect ect. He will be Jesus reborn so to say. The Impure Pope will be the one who will abuse his position (choir boy anyone?), for money, sex and power. In relating to the inquisitors it would be power, hence he would want them to win as many trials as possible. Them winning = stronger Pope.

**gardibolt** · 12-19-2006, 19:09

Purity is not well defined in the game; it could mean purity as in ideal christianity, which would make for gentle and forgiving Inquisitors, or it could mean purity as in zealous doctrinal cleansing--which would make for vigorously bloodthirsty Inquisitors. Depending on which version CA has in mind, the triggers may be right, or may be backwards. But I don't know that we have any evidence of what their definition of 'purity' is.