eh, why are people hysterical about Inquisiters?

**Kobal2fr** · 12-12-2006, 02:06

Originally Posted by Carl

Talking of the retrial, wasn't she made a saint following that? (I'm trusting AoEII here so it's worth checking).

If that’s true then she's the only Saint I’m aware of that actually turns up in the game, (she's a possible retinue member, if you want to know how to get her I can list the conditions).

Not really. She was declared innocent and a martyr a few years after her death (and her late judge branded with heresy), but was only canonized in the early 20th century (beatified a few years before IIRC). Better late than never, heh ?

But we're veering dangerously off-topic

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My point is : yes, M2's Inquis are far more powerfull than they ever were, but that has a point from a gaming PoV, and taking into account the dev's wish to make the Pope more important this time around.

MTW's faction-based inquisitors going on rampages on populations and killing the occasional general were much closer to history (and again could be erm... shall we say a-historical, at times. Remember how many "my inquisitor burned the pope !" threads there were back then ?

), but MTW's papacy was something of an easily dismissed joke wasn't it ?

**Darkmoor_Dragon** · 12-12-2006, 02:20

merchants, diplomats and princesses also have piety ratings but they are hidden.

**Carl** · 12-12-2006, 02:34

Not really. She was declared innocent and a martyr a few years after her death (and her late judge branded with heresy), but was only canonized in the early 20th century (beatified a few years before IIRC). Better late than never, heh ?

Well AoEII is fairly recent so it would take the early 20th century into account. It merely stated that she was made a saint after her death, it never said when. So it was kind of correct, just could have been put better. (As to the Judge, I should hope he was branded with heresy).

Also, defiantly better late than never, especially when you consider what would likely have happened if England had won the Hundred Years war. The social morality effects, (indirect effects BTW), can still be felt today.

Agreed, where going a bit off-topic, just thought I’d run it by someone while I had the chance.

My point is : yes, M2's Inquis are far more powerful than they ever were, but that has a point from a gaming PoV, and taking into account the dev's wish to make the Pope more important this time around.

Indeed, it's only really a problem when they're wiping factions out

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**dopp** · 12-12-2006, 02:40

The French king with 10 command stars was approaching Toulouse when an inquisitor happened by and casually picked him off in passing. Since I can't fix the ReligionStarter bug for characters not of my faction, he had zero piety burned rather easily. The army then went rebel.

**Zenicetus** · 12-12-2006, 02:54

Originally Posted by dopp

The French king with 10 command stars was approaching Toulouse when an inquisitor happened by and casually picked him off in passing. Since I can't fix the ReligionStarter bug for characters not of my faction, he had zero piety burned rather easily. The army then went rebel.

Ugh.... see, that's why it's not just a question of "play the game as intended, and you won't have problems." When it affects the large-scale strategy side of the game to that degree, even for the AI factions, it's just broken.

**Koval** · 12-12-2006, 05:08

I recently decided to start a French campaign, and within the first dozen or so turns three Inquisitors waltzed in and camped themselves between my biggest cities burning my priests and generals. There was nothing i could do, as their piety was quite high, and when the HRE invaded, i couldn't send any of my generals to lead my armies, as they were in my Western cities, and moving them would mean crossing Inquisitor country, which would result in an almost certain burning.
Oh, and not too long ago I had a dream in which i was being chased by an Inquisitor, and as i walked i had a big green arrow in front of me. Should i consult a psychiatrist?

**Daveybaby** · 12-12-2006, 12:20

I do feel that you should be able to defy the inquisitors - basically they should be asking you for permission to try that character. If you refuse, you take a large hit to your standing with the pope, with a significant chance of excommunication.

**Kobal2fr** · 12-12-2006, 12:42

Originally Posted by dopp

The French king with 10 command stars was approaching Toulouse when an inquisitor happened by and casually picked him off in passing. Since I can't fix the ReligionStarter bug for characters not of my faction, he had zero piety burned rather easily. The army then went rebel.

Can't you give traits to characters using their name instead of through select+"this" ?

**dopp** · 12-12-2006, 16:08

I wasn't playing French, I was Spain (as usual). You can only give_trait this to those of your own faction.

Same campaign, 30 turns later. France has suffered from a fatal overdose of inquisitors. Milan is next and falling fast. My huge cathedral in Valencia with the theologians' guild HQ churns out heretics every other time I try to train a priest (so much for orthodox training). I sense dark times ahead for Spain...

Inquisitors are rabble-rousers. Unless you have a modern police force (unlikely), even the king himself must fear an angry mob. So I don't think it's completely impossible for a king to be burned at the stake (but quite unlikely).

Hey, at least they can't burn the pope any more. That was hilarious.

Btw, can anyone tell me what the capital of Spain should be at this time (or chief city really, since the capital was wherever the royal court happened to be that week)? I thought Corduba or Toledo would be nice, but maybe it's Leon.

**gardibolt** · 12-12-2006, 19:21

Following up, I conveniently had three sons come of age in my game in one turn. I sent them towards Rheims, where my Theologian's guild is, but the Inquisitor picked off one of them on the way. We'll see whether it gives them any shelter; if not, I saved the game and can just move them the hell away from him (enemy lands look pretty safe--no Inquisitors there, even though they were excommunicated).

**Kraxis** · 12-12-2006, 22:17

Originally Posted by dopp

The French king with 10 command stars was approaching Toulouse when an inquisitor happened by and casually picked him off in passing. Since I can't fix the ReligionStarter bug for characters not of my faction, he had zero piety burned rather easily. The army then went rebel.

Aww.... That was a shame.

How often do we really see generals of his capacity among the AI factions? A real shame!

I agree that the king and perhaps the heir should get a trait like that 'Friend of his Holiness' (+5 Piety would be fitting) when one of their faction is Pope (can be removed with botched assassination). That should help them directly, meanwhile crusading generals should be absolutely immune.