The Root Of Christianity

**Ice** · 12-11-2006, 05:50

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_Simon_Peter

I found this rather interesting, which do you think the orginal text, " “And I tell you, you are Peter [Greek, Petros], and on this rock [Greek, petra] I will build My church, and the gates of Hades (the powers of the infernal region) shall not overpower it [or be strong to its detriment or hold out against it]” meant?

Edit: It appears I spelt Christianity wrong. Doh. If a mod could change that, it would be appreciated.

**Csargo** · 12-11-2006, 06:15

What?

**Ice** · 12-11-2006, 06:34

Originally Posted by Csar

What?

Click on the link, Csar, it should explain it rather well.

**Csargo** · 12-11-2006, 06:44

Originally Posted by Ice

Click on the link, Csar, it should explain it rather well.

No the quote you posted makes no sense atleast to me anyways.

**Ice** · 12-11-2006, 06:47

Originally Posted by Csar

No the quote you posted makes no sense atleast to me anyways.

I was just asking how you intrepreted the quote. I was quoting Jesus in what he said to Peter. I was more or less asking if you took the Protestant view or the Roman Catholic view.

**Csargo** · 12-11-2006, 06:48

Originally Posted by Ice

If you would click on the link, it would explain it fully. It really isn't that hard to do.

Yeah but there's so much to read

**Ice** · 12-11-2006, 07:03

Originally Posted by Csar

Yeah but there's so much to read

Ah, you read my preedited post. I felt bad, so I changed it. Look above again.

**Samurai Waki** · 12-11-2006, 18:35

I want to believe in the Protestant view, but my Catholic upbringing constantly nags in the back of my mind that not all sins are equal, and that some deserve far worse punishment than others.

**ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88** · 12-11-2006, 19:05

I,myself, being a Protestant, I take it as a Roman Catholic View. Your Quoate anyhow..

**Ice** · 12-11-2006, 22:22

Originally Posted by Wakizashi

I want to believe in the Protestant view, but my Catholic upbringing constantly nags in the back of my mind that not all sins are equal, and that some deserve far worse punishment than others.

What about the quote?

**IrishArmenian** · 12-12-2006, 00:51

Originally Posted by Ice

I was just asking how you intrepreted the quote. I was quoting Jesus in what he said to Peter. I was more or less asking if you took the Protestant view or the Roman Catholic view.

I, being an Armenian Apsotlic, believe the Orthodox interpretation. One has to realise that the Bible is not always literal and never simple.

**Sigurd** · 12-16-2006, 22:47

Alright maybe an agnostic should speak his mind…

It is obvious that no single scripture should be read out of context as in this case. You should look in the verses presiding and after the quotation. Lo and behold Jesus is asking his disciples who they thought he was after hearing what the people of Caesarea Philippi thought he was. The people of the aforementioned place though Jesus was either John the Baptist, Elijah or Jeremiah. Peter answers and says: You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus replies: Happy you are Simon… because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to you, but my Father who is in the heavens did. He continues; You are Peter …

Knowing a little of the early church I will say this:
Peter was the figurehead of the Church as the leading apostle and revelator. He was the Prophet.
The Rock which is the sure foundation (rock-mass) that Jesus built his church on is the principle of Revelation.

Together with James and John, Peter joined Jesus on the mount of transfiguration (next chapter) where they had encounters with mighty prophets from the old days. They were prepared for something. It is clear from reading about the man after the death and resurrection of Jesus, that he was in the lead and had special authority to lead the church. After his death though, none of the bishops would take up the mantle. Clement, bishop of Rome was asked, but he claimed he lacked the authority and keys.