Quote Originally Posted by Scurvy
The people want the help, they need it. The governments don't. If you leave them it will just get worse, violence = more violence and so on, its the innocent people that suffer, not those who make us unwelcome, by leaving we admit defeat to terrorists etc.
But we're not doing any good by being there. We pay the money, but we don't get the goods. Whether this is because of the government or the people doesn't make much difference.

Also, by leaving we're not admitting defeat to terrorists, by leaving we are saying we are sick of the whole mess and don't care enough to want to stay. We did the right in thing in 1948 when we left. Why are we trying to get involved again?

+ on the Israel thing, ( and of course the palestinians think its israels fault, and presumably israel think its palestines and syrias fault, and syria thinks its israel and the us etc etc.) if we were to leave israel wouldnt last very long, surrounded and without any help... more loss of life

Israel is militarily more powerful than all the Arab countries combined if they wish to fight on Israeli soil. Palestine and the other Arab countries don't have the capability to drive the Israelis into the sea - only Israel has the capability to expand and create a Greater Israel.

I don't care enough to deny the Israelis this chance at further conquest, and I don't care enough to deny the Palestinians their chance to bleed the Israelis. However, whatever they do, they'll find that being denied economic access to the EU is going to hurt. A lot. No amount of subsidies from the US or Muslim countries is going to make up for it. Perhaps then they'll start listening to our advice to stop fighting.