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    Are the rules governing re-emergences in any way similar to this? In my last campaign, as Sicily, my chief rival was England. The English carved out a truly massive empire before my assassins finally pruned the royal family tree back down to nothing.....and then a couple of years later the Danes re-emerged in all provinces from Flanders to Novgorod and as far south as Austria! It is the only time I have seen a re-emergence in more than about 3 provinces...

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    I know that factions can re-emerge only in provinces they once owned, but I am not sure if the same rule applies to provinces joining the rebellion. In other words, is it possible for a province to join a re-emergence even if it was never in the possession of the re-emerging faction?
    If so that would explain it. Overall however, I have witnessed a few massive re-emergencies in cases when a superpower has been eliminated (through inquisition or assassination). I too would love to learn more about how this exactly works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kavhan Isbul
    In other words, is it possible for a province to join a re-emergence even if it was never in the possession of the re-emerging faction?
    It is. As when the GH emerge, and neighbouring rebel provinces often join their faction, this can happen with re-appearing factions as well. I've seen the English reappear in Northumbria and the Scots who were always rebel and never conquered simply join them. The province rebelled again the next year of course. This is alot more common around eastern Europe due to the large number of rebel provinces.
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    In my modding I've had the occurrence more often. As an Irish faction I kill off a powerful royal family that I am related to, and then if I'm lucky I end up owning half of Ireland. It almost feels like cheating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caravel
    As when the GH emerge, and neighbouring rebel provinces often join their faction, this can happen with re-appearing factions as well.
    It can also happen when a loyalist uprising takes place. Once I had the Khan assassinated and a few turns later there was a loyalist revolt in Volga-Bulgaria, the whole damned GH became Russian ... Quite a substantial bonus for the Russians who were on the brink of annihilation ... Likewise but on a more moderate scale, you often see the HRE go into civil war and partially recover because a loyalist revolts shortly after turns ex-HRE rebels in HRE troops.

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    Loyalist revolts only seem to affect provinces that the faction had occupied in the past with good loyalty AFAIK. With reappearances you get the message about several rebel provinces joining that reappearing faction. You also get the same with appearances such as the GH. Rebels in Volga Bulgaria or Pereyaslavl etc may join them when they appear.

    -Edit: With a loyalist revolt, rebels in adjoining rebel provinces that were once allieged to the loyalists' faction will most likely revert back to that faction (their old alliegance). This is because the game remembers which factions those rebels once belonged to.

    This is evident when you attempt to bribe rebels that once belonged to another faction. When an army is successfully bribed over to your side the stack will flash between your faction's colours and their old faction's. As they are rebels one would assume this to be a shade of rebel grey and your own faction's colours. This is not always the case and instead of this you may see the colours of the rebel stack's old faction.
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    Well, that explains why I've never inherited lands. I always keep my taxes set on very high whenever possible, even if it means keeping three or four hundred troops in garrison. The increased tax revenue tends to make up for the extra troop upkeep.
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    I've never had any provinces picked up from dead in-laws, but I have seen AI factions gain them (doh! Not fair! ) I believe it depends on your current queen being from a certain faction -- don't think it works if she's just married to a prince, has to be the king (but as it's never worked for me I haven't really tested it )

    With regards to re-emergences, I think I read somewhere that it depends on an unmatured heir from the time the faction was eliminated going into limbo until he gets an opportunity... which might explain why some of the "new" kings pop up when they're 60 years old and beyond begeting any heirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macsen rufus
    With regards to re-emergences, I think I read somewhere that it depends on an unmatured heir from the time the faction was eliminated going into limbo until he gets an opportunity... which might explain why some of the "new" kings pop up when they're 60 years old and beyond begeting any heirs.
    This is true. However, if you never let happiness get below 100% you never have to worry about a reemergence in your provinces. In order for a reemergence to occur, a province formerly held by an eliminated faction has to rebel while a male heir who was under 16 years old when the faction was eliminated could still be alive. The exception to this is the papacy, which can (and will) reemerge regardless of happiness.

    This also doesn't stop a reemergence from happening right on your border. I guess a reemergence spices things up a bit, but I've never understood how the faction leader, who had been living an underground existence, could recruit and equip so many high tech units, especially when the reemergence occurs in a province that can't even produce such units.
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