You Shouldn't Nerf Macedon!

[Grand Lord of Poop~]

Well, from many of the pictures in the faction progression thread, it actually seems that the Macedonians are almost always losing or wiped out. But I have heard that you guys are going to nerf them even more in the upcoming versions!?

[Gazius]

In all my games so far, most factions for about 20 years so, makedon seems have been used to wipe the floor clean of greece. It seems to me that they should be restored to not quite a .74 level, but close to it, since both epirus and KH now seem to be able to expand well on their own. If anyone really needed nerfed, I would say its Seleukia. I think I've seen 2 games with them losing. Usually I seem them controlling large swathes of arabia, pushing across the suez and consuming Baktrian empire lands. I thought they were had to deal with a constant unstable east, along with civil wars and lots of dissent?

[MSB]

They do. After 265BC everything starts to build up when I play them. Parthia starts pumping out loads of cheap spearmen to annoy me in the NE, Baktria begins a full scale assault on the NE and NW, while Pontos and Haysydan start to gather their armies on the border for a huge attack.

[Geoffrey S]

At the time Macedon should be weak, they had just endured a rather crushing set of disasters at the hand of migrating Gauls.

What I'd say does need doing is a strengthening of rebels to the north of the peninsula and a general nerfing of the economics of the peninsula itself. Looking at the maps of expansion it seems that whichever faction dominates in the region, not just the Maks, becomes an unstoppable force heading to the north, which just isn't right.

[Empedocles]

In my carthage campaign (250bc) the greeks are still defending in mainland greece and have signed a ceasefire three turns ago with Macedonia.
Instead MAcedonia has crushed epiros and pushed it back to a single town near the danubio.
Macedonia has conquered all of Ylliria and are now at war with the romans up there.

I've conquered hispania and have taken tolosa, massilia and the capital of the Averni.
I'm planning to start a punic war against rome with the help of the aeudi.

Regards.

Diego, from Argentina
(I'll post pics when I get home)

[Grand Lord of Poop~]

yea, but still. even in 0.8 the Macedons are losing most of the time, and you guys are still going to make them weaker!? If you do that, macedon would almost be the weakest faction in the game and wouldn't stand a chance! (Well, of course it's a different story if the human plays it...) I have a suggestion: If you guys are going to make the peninsula factions weaker (as in Epeiros, KH, Maks, etc.) so they don't go uber; why not make all three factions weaker instead of just Macedon?

[Krusader]

yea, but still. even in 0.8 the Macedons are losing most of the time, and you guys are still going to make them weaker!? If you do that, macedon would almost be the weakest faction in the game and wouldn't stand a chance! (Well, of course it's a different story if the human plays it...) I have a suggestion: If you guys are going to make the peninsula factions weaker (as in Epeiros, KH, Maks, etc.) so they don't go uber; why not make all three factions weaker instead of just Macedon?

And go ahistorical? Atm, we are trying to find a good balance, so Makedonia should have a chance to survive. However in 272 BC, many people were wondering how long till the Antigonid dynasty would die out, as Pyrrhos was the strongest man in Greece at the time. In 272 BC, Antigonid Makedonia was in a crisis.

[Zaknafien]

Edit: oops, krusader beat me to it.

The long-stated goal of EB is to portray the starting conditions of 272 BCE as accurately as possible, and let the rise and fall of nations begin from there. If the Mak faction members tweak the starting position, it will be to make it more historically accurate, and they definately know what they are doing. I for one am looking forward to see where they go with it, and how the interesting situation of the Macedon King will be portrayed in future versions.