dismounted boyar sons, dismounted druzinha

[KARTLOS]

both units seem to be exactly the same and i think this kind of overlap is very boring. (it is more forgivable when one unit is milita the other proffessional)

ive had a go at converting the dismounted boyar sons into a javelin throwing heavy infantry _ so that they are a truer equevelent of their mounted counterparts (along with dismounted polish nobles):

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...85#post1344985

im intersted in any other suggestion for what to do with them. I dont think minor changes would really be sufficient - eg you could change the reduce the armour and icrease atack values for one of them but i think the differnce would be barely noticable. tactically speaking they are both going to be hard heavy infantry units.

ive no idea if it is at all historically acurate, but making them a missile + melee troop adds a bit more variety.

an alternative would be to perhaps make the dismounted druzinha swordsmen? maybe use the model from one of the danish units???

I welcome any suggestions - im more intersted in improving gameplay than historical accuracy.

[KARTLOS]

63 views and no replies- im looking for your opinions here guys!

[Bijo]

It sounds great! Both missile and melee on foot :) Yeah, then at least it makes a difference. Makes me think of those Roman legions throwing a javelin before they charge. It should nicely thin out the opposing heavy infantry if encountered.

[andrewt]

Another option is making one of them into a dismounted feudal knight type of unit, a swordsman with staying power. It'll complement an AP-axe unit well.

[IrishArmenian]

I would have Boyar sons throw javelins and raise the price.

[SMZ]

I was interested in your javilin throwing mod, but i didn't like the idea of the animation looking weird, so here's what I did...

since the Druzhina are described as being bodyguards and the flavor of them is a kinda primal, vicious, out-dated warrior... I simply cut their unit size in half and gave them 2hp... that gives them a unique niche, a bodyguard unit you can recruit, but of course they lack numbers, so it's balanced - then you don't have to make any changes to animations, models or even text descriptions....

iunno, i like it

[KARTLOS]

I was interested in your javilin throwing mod, but i didn't like the idea of the animation looking weird, so here's what I did...

since the Druzhina are described as being bodyguards and the flavor of them is a kinda primal, vicious, out-dated warrior... I simply cut their unit size in half and gave them 2hp... that gives them a unique niche, a bodyguard unit you can recruit, but of course they lack numbers, so it's balanced - then you don't have to make any changes to animations, models or even text descriptions....

iunno, i like it

thats a nice idea, why dont you post the changes so people can implement it if they like.

I beleive that it would be possible to the unit model of the dismounted polish nobles for the dismounted druzinha, which would solve the throwing issue

[SMZ]

yeah, i thought about that too - but I wanted them to have the axes as their backup weapon

here's the small change I made: (simply copy/paste it over the current Druzhina & Dismounted Druzhina blocks inside the export_descr_unit.txt file if you wish to use a druzhina reminescent of berserkers)

type             Druzhina
dictionary       Druzhina      ; Druzhina
category         cavalry
class            heavy
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_cavalry
banner holy      crusade_cavalry
soldier          Druzhina, 16, 0, 1
mount            heavy horse
mount_effect     elephant -4, camel -4
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, can_withdraw, can_formed_charge
formation        2, 4.4, 3, 6, 3, square, wedge
stat_health      2, 0
stat_pri         11, 5, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, spear, 25, 1
;stat_pri_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         11, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, axe, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr    ap
stat_pri_armour  7, 8, 0, metal
;stat_armour_ex   5, 7, 0, 0, 6, 4, 4, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      0, -2, -4, 0
stat_mental      9, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 25
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 690, 210, 120, 95, 690, 4, 170
armour_ug_levels 2, 3
armour_ug_models Druzhina, Druzhina_ug1
ownership        russia
era 0            russia
era 1            russia
;unit_info        11, 0, 15

type             Dismounted Druchima
dictionary       Dismounted_Druchima      ; Dismounted Druzhina
category         infantry
class            heavy
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_infantry
banner holy      crusade
soldier          Dismounted_Druchima, 24, 0, 1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      2, 0
stat_pri         11, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, axe, 25, 1.2
;stat_pri_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr    ap
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  8, 7, 0, metal
;stat_armour_ex   5, 7, 0, 0, 4, 6, 6, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      1, -2, 3, 2
stat_mental      9, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 690, 150, 90, 70, 690, 4, 170
armour_ug_levels 2, 3
armour_ug_models Dismounted_Druchima, Dismounted_Druchima_ug1
ownership        russia
era 0            russia
era 1            russia
;unit_info        11, 0, 15

[Musashi]

When they release model editing tools, I'm totally making DBS into proper javelin chuckers.

[zstajerski]

What russia needs is a unit with more than 20 defence....

I think that without uzpgraes the highest defensive stat for infantry is 16 :( that sux

[HoreTore]

Hmmm...

What about a smaller change?

Simply raise the defense of one unit to 18-20 while lowering their attack to 9 or so, while raising the attack of the other to 15-16 and reducing their defense a couple of points, for example?

[Musashi]

I'd rather have javelin throwers :D