Do u miss the different starting eras in M2TW?

[pansoiatr]

I remember that in mtw u could start your campaing from different starting positions according to the era u chose.For example the byzantines was a huge power(easy campaign) in the early era having asia minor,balkans and south italy.in contrast in the late era they had a much more difficult start only having 3 regions(i think:)
Wouldnt it be nice to have that in m2tw?
I think that would give a great incentive to play the same faction again

[sapi]

I agree, and the other thing i'd like to see is GA mode - i'm sick of having to fight all the time, even though this is total war ;P

[Barry Fitzgerald]

I agree 100% on this one. MTW was great with the different eras..and it added to the replay value. Will CA put it in? Sadly probably not....

[Quickening]

As it is now, the game doesn't last long enough for different starting eras.

They should set the timescale to 0.5 as default so that the characters age properly. Then they should put the starting eras in. Makes perfect sense.

[Andres]

They should set the timescale to 0.5 as default so that the characters age properly. Then they should put the starting eras in. Makes perfect sense.

I second that.

You'll still be able to start from scratch, but in different eras (= different starting position, different goals, different unit roster).

[Daveybaby]

Yeah i'd like to see the eras back in plus a more sensible years per turn value. I also liked how factions had different starting territories in each era, which gave some subtle variations to gameplay, and how some factions didnt even exist in some eras (and IMO CA didnt take that aspect of the game far enough in MTW1).

[pansoiatr]

Different starting positions would give a much harder game campaign for some factions which is what many experienced players would like to see.
By the way which faction appear in late era in mtw1?

[Whacker]

They should set the timescale to 0.5 as default so that the characters age properly. Then they should put the starting eras in. Makes perfect sense.

I couldn't agree more with this guys, but I sincerely doubt that we'll get either. Definitely not going to get 1/2 years per turn, because CA has stated on a number of occasions they think that a ~225 year campaign is optimal for the "overall target audience" (or something close to that), which is unfortunately the lowest common denominator demographic who would seem to prefer "shorter action based games". At least they threw us a bone here and made it easily modable, which is a Good Thing©. The other logical extension to this and that'd complete the picture is giving us control over character aging through scripts or config files. Hopefully we'll know for sure when the unpacker is out if this is possible, if not then definitely goes in the wishlist thread.

RE: Eras... I personally only started a campaign in High once, otherwise always started on early for the same reason Econ stated. Loved clawing my way up from the bottom so to speak. Never started or had a desire to play starting from Late, though I can definitely understand other player's desires to do so, hence I'm throwing in for the "yes" team here. Putting some effort into give us this much missed feature would go miles for getting CA brownie points.

Speaking of unpackers... Where's our "release day" patch already?

[Bob the Insane]

Actually the type of modding required for this is possible now with the unpacked files that where released and the mod switching feature.

I have put to gether a little mod for my own use based on the work of others and some ideas of my own which I call TimeScaleMod which basically sets the timescale to 0.5, and adjusts building build times and farming outputs by a factor of 4 to slow the game down but, hopefully, maintain the existing game balance and technical progression. I am on my first test play through at the moment.

But from what I have learned it should be pretty easy to have two modded versions, kicked off by BAT files, that exist on the same install (without effecting the default game) that would simply tweak the start date and the duration of the game. You could also tweak the provinces ownership, the faction relationships, the starting armies and the number of buildings in the provinces to match as High and Late start date.

The start dates in MTW where 1087, 1205 and 1321... So by default a Late game would get you 209 years or 105(ish) turns. High pressure game for anything but a short campaign.

A timescale 0.5 late game for 418 turns sounds promising though. Not nearly as intimidating as 900 turns for an early game...

[Johan217]

Selenius4tsd from the twcenter.net forum is working on separate early, high and late campaigns: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72991

Separate campaigns are just what this game needs IMO: this way you can have 2 turns/year and have characters age in sync with the game, while keeping the campaign nice and short. In fact they should have done it for RTW too!

[Beefeater]

Do u miss the different starting eras in M2TW?

Yes.

[econ21]

No. To be honest, I never played MTW at anything other than early. I like to start from the bottom and work my way up. Same reason I like role-playing games that start you off at level 1.

[pansoiatr]

I totally agree with econ about loving the long campaign and having to start from scratch.What the eras would add would be replayability.Not having to start from the same position,doing the same things,going for the same provinces.It would a new campaign all together!

[Dan.o6]

No doubt there will be a mod which will add eras.

[JR-]

No. To be honest, I never played MTW at anything other than early. I like to start from the bottom and work my way up. Same reason I like role-playing games that start you off at level 1.

agreed.

[Basileus]

I have a feeling CA might add Eras in the expansion, so here goes me hoping im right cause i really miss it.

[Kobal2fr]

No. To be honest, I never played MTW at anything other than early. I like to start from the bottom and work my way up. Same reason I like role-playing games that start you off at level 1.

Same here. I really dislike having strategical choices forced on me (ie which city makes what where ?). Which is a pity cause I never got to play Novgorod...

[lars573]

No. To be honest, I never played MTW at anything other than early. I like to start from the bottom and work my way up. Same reason I like role-playing games that start you off at level 1.

I'm with econ on this. The only time I ever started on an era other than early in MTW was to play Russia.

[Shahed]

I don't miss different starting dates as I always started at the earliest date. I miss GA a lot.

[Bob the Insane]

Do u miss the different starting eras in M2TW?

Honestly? No, I rarely started a campaign in MTW on anything but Early...

[danfda]

Honestly? No, I rarely started a campaign in MTW on anything but Early...

I felt the same, but after I had played most of the factions in MTW and in Viking Horde's wonderful XL mod, I started playing High and Late campaigns. It was like playing a completely different game. Different starting cities, different techs, the AI factions actually were teched up, different units, different enemies, less time...Some of my most memorable and beloved campaigns were High period ones. It added another dimension to MTW that gave the game so much replayability. I loved the different eras...

I should also mention that I only ever played GA campaigns. Never Domination.

[Zenicetus]

I never played MTW, but I don't think I'd enjoy eras with the current game. I like starting out weak, with the AI factions weak as well, and with room to expand (rebel provinces as buffers).

If jumping into a later era meant everyone was more well-developed, with bigger economies and larger cities, more powerful armies, all factions rubbing up against each other... well, that's just not as much fun for me. I didn't enjoy playing the late Roman factions in RTW/BI for that reason, but this is just my personal preference. I like expanding from scratch, more or less.

I suppose CA (or the modders) could start us mid-period with weaker factions and some empty provinces, but that wouldn't seem right for the period, I don't think.

How did MTW handle this? Were the factions pretty well built-up in the mid and later periods?

[RZST]

How did MTW handle this? Were the factions pretty well built-up in the mid and later periods?

i do want to make my empire from scratch but building spearmen over and over just doesnt cut it =P
oh and in mtw, your a human player. nuff said.

[Johan217]

I suppose CA (or the modders) could start us mid-period with weaker factions and some empty provinces, but that wouldn't seem right for the period, I don't think.

How did MTW handle this? Were the factions pretty well built-up in the mid and later periods?

This is how it worked in MTW. Every faction would have one or two core provinces that were built up well, but not too much. In addition they would have a number of regions that they possessed historically, but these would normally not be built up much. And there would often be a few rebel provinces bordering each faction.

Each faction would start out with some advanced units, but often you still needed to build the barracks etc to recruit these units yourself.

[Trithemius]

Yes, yes I do.

[Somebody Else]

Yes. I'm fed up with playing through entire long campaigns, using nothing more than a combination of militia spearmen, militia crossbowmen and ballistas to conquer the known world. I haven't even heard of America yet in any of my games.