Militia vs Trained

**Sonny WiFiHr** · 12-08-2006, 08:33

Very strange to me that militia is similar to trained units.
What about, morale, training, discipline, way of life ?
Trained soldier should win against militia because they were trained ,trained ,drilled, payed.
Free upkeep is good but that means there is no reason to build trained of same kind.
Uber peasants ,panzer elephants, elven archers ??????

**Somebody Else** · 12-08-2006, 08:55

Proper soldiers have better stamina, and slightly higher stats as well. Plus, it's in the professional line of troops that you get the better units anyway - like knights &c.

**Sonny WiFiHr** · 12-08-2006, 08:58

In my warfare as a English I did not see any diference VH/VH in the begining.Morale should be much lover in foregin country and high in homeland.

**geala** · 12-08-2006, 09:03

In the medieval world militias (and peasant armies) achieved astonishing results. Who you thought were f.e. the Swiss when they won their first victories against the Habsburg dukes?

Or what used the upper italian cities who fought successfully against the HRE in the 12th century?

As late as 1500 a peasant/militia army defeated the Danish king and his professional army (among them high rated Landsknechts) in the battle of Hemmingstedt.

Militias often were of doubtful quality but that was not always the case.

So I like the fact that some militia units are not merely canon fodder.

**Kraxis** · 12-08-2006, 15:33

Originally Posted by geala

InAs late as 1500 a peasant/militia army defeated the Danish king and his professional army (among them high rated Landsknechts) in the battle of Hemmingstedt.

Militias often were of doubtful quality but that was not always the case.

So I like the fact that some militia units are not merely canon fodder.

Ahh the famous attack of king Hans on the Ditmarsh people.
Well, obviously they had a brilliant leader as they managed to confine the Danish army to a single road and then ambush that army several times. You can say it was similar to Teutoberger Wald in many regards.

The Danish king even lost the original Danish flag that had fallen from the sky (legend, but he still lost it).

Anyway, when the unpacker arrives, I will give the Peasant Crossbowmen some advantages in armour, while the Militia Crossbows will get a little morale. That pretty much sums up to me what their respective strengths were compared to each other.

**KARTLOS** · 12-08-2006, 15:38

i like many people asumed that the milita units (i.e those from the cities) would be worse but it appears that it is certainly not the case. in general you need castles for heavier more advanced troops, but cities are fine for producing your basic infantry.