How to get new family members to spawn in the Holy Land?

**past caring** · 12-13-2006, 19:20

- or wherever else you desire, come to that....

Here's the scenario:- Playing as England about 2/3rds through the campaign I've done for France and have got sizeable holdings in the Holy Land - Jerusalem, Damascus, Aleppo, Antioch, Baghdad, Edessa, Mosul, Acre and Gaza. Not bad, but;

1) the Mongols have shown up and

2) my favoured strategy has hit a bit of a snag - I want to divert them either entirely or into fighting on terrain of my choosing by blocking choke points with a series of forts. To build forts I need generals, but the generals who led the initial Crusades are long since dead and my conquest of France means I'm now locking horns with Genoa, HRE, venice and Sicily - any attempt to ship troops/generals across the Med ends up with them at the bottom of the briney.

I thought maybe switching my capital to one of the Holy Land provinces would do it (I checked the family tree beforehand and saw I had a number of 14 and 15 year old princes about to hit maturity in the next few turns) and reckoned I'd risk the hit to the economy. Didn't work though - they stil spawned in London or one of the main English provinces.

Any ideas? Are the specific buildings I need to construct?

**FactionHeir** · 12-13-2006, 19:32

Use captains to attack rebels, with some luck you get man of the hour.
Or else just use the character_reset cheat to move someone over quickly...

**=Omni=** · 12-13-2006, 19:56

AFAIK the new generals and family members spawn where your faction leader currently resides. So either you move your faction leader to the holy land, or you're in a deep trouble :P

Just an idea - maybe ask the Pope for a crusade and set off with your faction leader as the crusader?

**magnum** · 12-13-2006, 19:59

Family members should arrive at whatever city their father is at. Generals who marry into the family should arrive at where the king is at. you still have the problem of how to get your king to the Holy Land.

**IPoseTheQuestionYouReturnTheAnswer** · 12-13-2006, 21:00

I'm 95% sure that family members deposit themselves in whatever city is your CAPITAL at the time.

My faction leader is campaigning in Italy, and has been sitting in Rome for a while. Still, my capital (Constantinople) has a full stack of 20 family members sitting in it. I'm absolutely sure I have adopted new family members since my Sultan took his vacation in Rome, but I don't have any new family members in that region. So I'm pretty sure if you set a city in the Holy Land to be your capital, they'll appear there.

**Hosakawa Tito** · 12-13-2006, 21:50

Originally Posted by magnum

Family members should arrive at whatever city their father is at. Generals who marry into the family should arrive at where the king is at. you still have the problem of how to get your king to the Holy Land.

Magnum is correct from my experience. My crusading family member general (Milan) has been joined by his son in Alexandria when he came of age.

**Ethelred Unread** · 12-13-2006, 21:54

I concur, in a similar situation to OP, but have a general in antioch.

His son has just come of age and was available that turn.

**FactionHeir** · 12-13-2006, 21:57

To be exact:

Family members always spawn at their father's location.
Adoptees too.
Married-ins spawn at their father-in-laws position
Princess fallen generals stay where they are.

And if a family member's father is dead, he will spawn at the capital.

**Tuidjy** · 12-14-2006, 00:04

Originally Posted by =Omni=

AFAIK the new generals and family members spawn where your
faction leader currently resides. So either you move your faction leader to the
holy land, or you're in a deep trouble :P

Unfortunately, this is not true. My king has been pacifying Jerusalem for the
last ten years, but the maturing kids still show up in France. I am having the
same problem as the original poster. I was lucky enough to get one man of
the hour the first year, but I have been sending hospitalier knights against
huge stacks since, and no luck. I wish I understood the requirements for
promoting a winning captain.

**Oaty** · 12-14-2006, 00:20

One trick is when asked to marry is to minimize the message move the capitol where you want him accept and then move your capital back

**magnum** · 12-14-2006, 00:33

Lol, now thats a trick I hadn't thought of. Will have to remember it. =)

**FactionHeir** · 12-14-2006, 00:55

Oaty, that, again, would only work if the father of the woman you are marrying to the general was dead. Otherwise he'll join the father's army, wherever he currently is.

**Zenicetus** · 12-14-2006, 01:54

Originally Posted by Tuidjy

I am having the same problem as the original poster. I was lucky enough to get one man of the hour the first year, but I have been sending hospitalier knights against huge stacks since, and no luck. I wish I understood the requirements for promoting a winning captain.

As far as I know, it's the same as RTW: it triggers when you don't have a certain threshold number of generals, relative to the number of provinces you own. You'll get more Men of the Hour promotions if you conquer territory rapidly (more rapidly than the normal birth/maturation of family members), or if you lose a bunch of male family members to disease, assassination, or combat.

You might be able to trigger more captain promotions with your Holy Land armies if you kill off family members and generals back home, like sending them solo against big rebel stacks. Of course the trade-off is that you might be sacrificing high-ranked generals with good retinues for newbies, just to gain geographic position.

At least I think that's how it works. It's basically a quota system.